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Saturday, February 02, 2013
Women if Foxholes
“
No Country For Old Men
1991 Congress authorizes women to fly in
combat
missions.
1993 Congress authorizes women to serve on
combat
ships.
1998 For the first time, women fighter
pilots fly
combat missions off aircraft carrier in Operation Desert Fox, Iraq.
2013 Defense Secretary Leon Panetta lifts a
longstanding ban on women serving in combat,
Rush:
We have Joe Geezer from Omaha. Are you there Joe? Joe G. Yes, but I
sure had to wait a long time. Rush: Reminded you
of your army days didn't it? I understand you served
during WWII. Joe G. (Laughs)
Yes. Under Patton. I'm
76 years old Rush, but I still hate the waiting. Rush:What do you
think about allowing women to serve as combatants? Joe G.. Why do they
want to?
Hell, most men try like hell to stay out of war zones. I think
it's a
mistake to put women in a foxhole with men.. Rush: Well, so far
that hasn't happened, but you know it's coming; but what's your problem
with it? Joe G.: Rush,
if there was a
women in my foxhole, I'm afraid I'd probably rape her, and so would
damn
near all the men I know.. Rush:
Speechless.. (ca1990 anecdotal
-memory)
As
I move along
into my dotage, the male machismo thing isn't nearly
as prominent as it once was. And Lord knows that I've
applauded the
women soljers I've known, or heard about on this Blog for their
patriotism, passion, and ability (mostly) to think straighter than
their
civilian counterparts. But back around that time (1991)Joe Geezer
called Rush, and perhaps triggered by it, I got into a discussion
with
my
friend Banning. He was a Vietnam veteran Naval officer w/four
daughters, and more amenable to women serving on the front lines than
I. He did, oddly enough) agree that James Webb was spot-on
with "Women
Can't Fight")
Banning asked me why
I was so adverse to it. I answered, "Because there's no woman I can't beat the
crap out of. "
He thought it a silly response, and that was the end of that. But
there was a lot going on in that answer, and I suspect if you're ever
going to understand what, you already do. .
As a veteran of incessant playground wars during my Chicago school
days, I was stating a lesson that I think many anthropologists might
agree with. In order to lead, you have to be recognized as being
at
least as physically tough as the men you lead. You have to have
reached that point where fighting you just isn't worth it.
What started all this today, was cowardly leftist turd Leon
Panetta—
installed as Sec/Defense by Barry O (which says it all)— breaking down
the last feminist barrier to front line combat.
He did it as he walked out the door, and thus won't have to deal
with it.
I know what you're saying, "But Rodge, times are different. Men
don't think like that anymore."
As a young Midshipman going through Jump School at Fort Benning in the Summer of '79, we went through a string of student company commanders. The first fellow was a LtCol MD. He didn't make it through the last run of ground week. It's charitable calling the Airborne Shuffle a run. I did every single one of them hungover. His replacement was a female Army Captain admin type who should have been in the faculty lounge drinking coffee. The catcalls from the ranks were hilarious, she failed Tower Week. It was good to see her go. Her replacement was a Marine Recon newly promoted Captain. Let us say, the change was dramatic. All of a sudden, things were professionally and efficiently done. Imagine that.
There is a much larger story to be told, but it will never be admitted. In cultures where the masculine virtues are necessary, women taint the pool, and spoil the culture.
Rape? All the ones I knew were willing, dykes, or stone cold bitches.
I went through basic in the winter of 1980. I was a slotted to be an Intel enlisted puke, so my fellow trainees were either more of the above, or rear-echelon support. That being said, they were a fairly hardy bunch. We had with our three male platoons, a platoon of female trainees. The drills knew we wern't going to combat arms, but the did their jobs and whipped us into shape. I'd say among the males, there was about a 10% attrition due to physical problems. For the females, it was more like 25% or more. Of the 30 or more females, there was only one that could consistently finish the run with the males. I say all that to say this - there might be a cadre of females out there that can keep up with they guys in the combat arms, but they are a very, very, small part of the population. It's just not risking weakening the rest to let them play. If you want to let them do this, let them sign on as males, and expect them to perform as males or get bounced out.
I have to say "ditto" to Mikes summation when I went through Basic and afterwards in the '90s. I can only remeber ONE female that could physically "keep up" (and sometimes surpass) the average males that I graduated with. (To her credit; she had been professional beach Lifeguard in the real world.)
To be honest, I don't know how the vast number of "average" females passed the physical entrance exam, let alone any tests after that.
Physical strength and ability aside, the problem is boy and girls DISTRACT one another. Thats it plain and simple. When I joined the Navy, I'd nail anything that would hold still and let me. And when they get to he-ing and she-ing they cause problems. I watched for 20 years.
I know of only one effective female combat outfit in history. The Czar raised an outfit of female combat soldiers in WWI.
I remember seeing an old, silent video of them marching. Each and every one of them were huge beasts. They looked like they should be living under a bridge eating small children.
Even though the Czar's army found the 0.0001% of women who could take full combat, combat was not their primary roll. The Czar used them as propaganda to motivate via shame his reluctant forces to fight the Germans and Austrians.
Note: Yes, the Soviets did put women on the front lines in WWII. However, later in the war, the pulled them out of combat. The woman were getting slaughtered wholesale and were turning into a liability.
I want Leon to tell me what is going to happen when Pvt Suzie Soldier gets an injury out there where bullets are whizzing by. Does he actually think that the average Joe Slogger is going to leave her and follow his orders, or will he drop his current task to render aid? I want to know. I have my own thoughts on the subject. Just some more stress of decision making when all efforts should be at success and survival. Bad idea. tomw
Retired Army Lieutenant Colonel and science fiction author Tom Kratman dissects the subject of women in combat in his article "The Amazon's Right Breast." http://www.baen.com/amazonsrightbreast.asp
This is probably the best argument against women in combat I've ever seen.
Jeez, I had forgot all about this. Back in basic, in '71 at Ft. Lewis WA. we had a whole platoon of Eskimos from Alaska. I don't think the tallest one passed the minimum height requirement by more than 1/2". Tough little buggers, they mostly kept to themselves.
No Country For Old Men
Worms, meet can
ReplyDeleteMM
I know what you're saying, "But Rodge, times are different. Men don't think like that anymore."
ReplyDeleteYes...we do.
As a young Midshipman going through Jump School at Fort Benning in the Summer of '79, we went through a string of student company commanders. The first fellow was a LtCol MD. He didn't make it through the last run of ground week. It's charitable calling the Airborne Shuffle a run. I did every single one of them hungover. His replacement was a female Army Captain admin type who should have been in the faculty lounge drinking coffee. The catcalls from the ranks were hilarious, she failed Tower Week. It was good to see her go. Her replacement was a Marine Recon newly promoted Captain. Let us say, the change was dramatic. All of a sudden, things were professionally and efficiently done. Imagine that.
ReplyDeleteThere is a much larger story to be told, but it will never be admitted. In cultures where the masculine virtues are necessary, women taint the pool, and spoil the culture.
Rape? All the ones I knew were willing, dykes, or stone cold bitches.
Casca
I went through basic in the winter of 1980. I was a slotted to be an Intel enlisted puke, so my fellow trainees were either more of the above, or rear-echelon support. That being said, they were a fairly hardy bunch. We had with our three male platoons, a platoon of female trainees. The drills knew we wern't going to combat arms, but the did their jobs and whipped us into shape. I'd say among the males, there was about a 10% attrition due to physical problems. For the females, it was more like 25% or more. Of the 30 or more females, there was only one that could consistently finish the run with the males. I say all that to say this - there might be a cadre of females out there that can keep up with they guys in the combat arms, but they are a very, very, small part of the population. It's just not risking weakening the rest to let them play. If you want to let them do this, let them sign on as males, and expect them to perform as males or get bounced out.
ReplyDeleteI have to say "ditto" to Mikes summation when I went through Basic and afterwards in the '90s.
ReplyDeleteI can only remeber ONE female that could physically "keep up" (and sometimes surpass) the average males that I graduated with. (To her credit; she had been professional beach Lifeguard in the real world.)
To be honest, I don't know how the vast number of "average" females passed the physical entrance exam, let alone any tests after that.
Physical strength and ability aside, the problem is boy and girls DISTRACT one another. Thats it plain and simple. When I joined the Navy, I'd nail anything that would hold still and let me. And when they get to he-ing and she-ing they cause problems. I watched for 20 years.
ReplyDeleteTim
USN Rertired
Let us pray that the proposed legions of gold chain wearing, leering fanny patters never comes to fruition. -Anymouse
ReplyDeleteP.S. "The Whorah"
I know of only one effective female combat outfit in history. The Czar raised an outfit of female combat soldiers in WWI.
ReplyDeleteI remember seeing an old, silent video of them marching. Each and every one of them were huge beasts. They looked like they should be living under a bridge eating small children.
Even though the Czar's army found the 0.0001% of women who could take full combat, combat was not their primary roll. The Czar used them as propaganda to motivate via shame his reluctant forces to fight the Germans and Austrians.
Note: Yes, the Soviets did put women on the front lines in WWII. However, later in the war, the pulled them out of combat. The woman were getting slaughtered wholesale and were turning into a liability.
I want Leon to tell me what is going to happen when Pvt Suzie Soldier gets an injury out there where bullets are whizzing by. Does he actually think that the average Joe Slogger is going to leave her and follow his orders, or will he drop his current task to render aid?
ReplyDeleteI want to know. I have my own thoughts on the subject. Just some more stress of decision making when all efforts should be at success and survival.
Bad idea.
tomw
Fred Reed has some interesting numbers about Women In Combat
ReplyDeleteRetired Army Lieutenant Colonel and science fiction author Tom Kratman dissects the subject of women in combat in his article "The Amazon's Right Breast." http://www.baen.com/amazonsrightbreast.asp
ReplyDeleteThis is probably the best argument against women in combat I've ever seen.
Chadd in Fl
Jeez, I had forgot all about this.
ReplyDeleteBack in basic, in '71 at Ft. Lewis WA. we had a whole platoon of Eskimos from Alaska. I don't think the tallest one passed the minimum height requirement by more than 1/2".
Tough little buggers, they mostly kept to themselves.
OC