tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15290406.post4353045161144832098..comments2024-03-08T17:48:05.678-05:00Comments on Curmudgeonly & Skeptical presents Boned Jello: Godless and In ChargeRodger the Real King of Francehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11349261387199416434noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15290406.post-23373167933661658832015-02-16T08:47:05.079-05:002015-02-16T08:47:05.079-05:00Even an atheist must admit the natural state of ma...Even an atheist must admit the natural state of man is to desire to live, be free, and do what makes him happy, so remove God from it and there is no change. <br />AWMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15290406.post-40276238203424827282015-02-14T13:43:39.495-05:002015-02-14T13:43:39.495-05:00Au contraire. Being endowed with such rights by ou...Au contraire. Being endowed with such rights by our Creator does not mean all men will be fortunate enough to live under a government that has been chartered to honor and protect (rather than suppress and trample) those rights.<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12505066066594153737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15290406.post-55584931118048622752015-02-14T13:23:34.466-05:002015-02-14T13:23:34.466-05:00"All men" are not endowed with unalienab..."All men" are not endowed with unalienable "rights", as shown in the Declaration, by their creator, whoever or whatever that might be. Just ask anyone who was born into and still lives in any of the Middle East countries. They have absolutely no rights "endowed" to them, except to have the "right" to die whenever some asshole decides it is their beheading or stoning time, because of some stupid "belief".<br /><br />Scottiebill<br /><br />ScottiebillAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15290406.post-20977447880941867972015-02-14T11:23:54.208-05:002015-02-14T11:23:54.208-05:00^ I meant that "inalienable" was used in...^ I meant that "inalienable" was used in a Jefferson draft.<br />^^ Jefferson didn't write the Constitution. <br />Slip of the pen, I reckon.DougMhttp://sondrakistan.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15290406.post-52176366021917971492015-02-14T11:20:54.687-05:002015-02-14T11:20:54.687-05:00At the time of the Declaration, unalienable and in...At the time of the Declaration, unalienable and inalienable <a href="http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/unalienable.htm" rel="nofollow">meant the same thing</a>. They still do, for all practical purposes.<br />In fact, <i>both</i> words are used in different drafts of the Declaration, most notably Jefferson's.<br />There are, however, <a href="http://www.gemworld.com/USA-Unalienable.htm" rel="nofollow">distinctive uses in law</a>.DougMhttp://sondrakistan.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15290406.post-89309709768775809792015-02-14T11:18:00.746-05:002015-02-14T11:18:00.746-05:00Sorry but both the Declaration of Independence and...Sorry but both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution make it clear that the rights of Americans do not come from God.<br /><br />The term "unalienable rights" is found in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. And the Declaration of Independence is not a legal document for the US. What this means is that it has no authority over US laws, lawmakers, or citizens. It cannot be cited as precedent or as being binding in a courtroom. The purpose of the Declaration of Independence was to make a moral case for dissolving the legal ties between the colonies and Great Britain; once that goal was achieved, the official role of the Declaration was finished.<br /><br />Further, religion is never mentioned in the Declaration. It refers to “Nature’s God,” “Creator,” and “Divine Providence.” Those term do not refer to the Christian God but are rather terms that were used in the sort of deism that was common among many of the Founders (including Thomas Jefferson who is the actual author of the Constitution - it's worth noting that Jefferson himself was opposed to many of the traditional Christian documents including a belief in the supernatural - Jefferson believed that Jesus was a great moral teacher but rejected any claims of the supernatural).<br /><br />But that aside, the "rights" mentioned in the Declaration are "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" none of which are mentioned in the Constitution. And the Declaration itself makes it clear that governments derive their powers from the consent of the governed and not from any god or gods. [That's why the Constitution opens with the statement "We the people ...". In other words the highest power the Constitution, and hence the government, looked to was the people. That document looks to "the people" and never looks to God or religion - in fact there are only two references to religion, both negative.]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15290406.post-64399968210350206272015-02-14T09:33:56.166-05:002015-02-14T09:33:56.166-05:00anonymous, the word "inalienable" does ...anonymous, the word "inalienable" does not appear in either the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution.<br /><br />the word "unalienable", however, does appear in the Declaration.jwnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15290406.post-9600101595843099352015-02-13T23:59:10.429-05:002015-02-13T23:59:10.429-05:00Back before liberals questioned the meaning of &qu...Back before liberals questioned the meaning of "IS" even a democrat could understand the meaning of a word like "inalienable"<br /><br />in·al·ien·a·ble<br />adjective: unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor.<br />"freedom of religion, the most inalienable of all human rights"<br />synonyms: inviolable, absolute, sacrosanctAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15290406.post-63008542999269751792015-02-13T19:58:09.162-05:002015-02-13T19:58:09.162-05:00Anonymous, don't confuse "imbecillic"...Anonymous, don't confuse "imbecillic" with evil.<br /><br />DougM, Stu, agree with every word of your posts.<br /><br />Silly Mr. Cuomo thinks all us Americans will give up their rights that easily. rickn8orhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16911803300343351338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15290406.post-53879793637233412542015-02-13T19:34:53.162-05:002015-02-13T19:34:53.162-05:00One does not have to believe in God (or in any pow...One does not have to believe in God (or in any power, by any name, greater than our human selves) to benefit from our Founders' concept that the rights listed in our Bill of Rights pre-exist the formation of our government, and that our Constitution does not <b>grant</b> those rights, but <b>acknowledges</b> them and <b>pledges to protect</b> them.<br /><br />But Cuomo's "argument" is a shot across the bow of that concept. If those basic rights are <b>granted</b> by government, then government can also <b>take them away</b>. This is the real reason why Cuomo and his ilk seek to take God out of our lives.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12505066066594153737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15290406.post-3081128912011853802015-02-13T17:51:13.334-05:002015-02-13T17:51:13.334-05:00One can argue about the meaning of "Creator&q...One can argue about the meaning of "Creator" (deity or nature), but all honest versions end up at the principle that unalienable rights are things that one is friggin' <i>born</i> with. <br />They are <i>not</i> given/granted/bestowed/etc by men or governments.<br />Their nature does <i>not</i> evolve with the prevailing political whim or current meaning of words.DougMhttp://sondrakistan.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15290406.post-32944593862384581202015-02-13T13:24:08.352-05:002015-02-13T13:24:08.352-05:00Mr. Cuomo suffers from genetic imbecilic tendencie...Mr. Cuomo suffers from genetic imbecilic tendencies. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15290406.post-76365847117401148202015-02-13T13:18:43.109-05:002015-02-13T13:18:43.109-05:00"Bigotry", against whom sir?
Why, anyon...<i>"Bigotry", against whom sir?</i><br /><br />Why, anyone that doesn't think exactly like him of course.rickn8orhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16911803300343351338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15290406.post-70202354740897845742015-02-13T12:42:20.748-05:002015-02-13T12:42:20.748-05:00"Bigotry", against whom sir?
Casca"Bigotry", against whom sir?<br /><br />CascaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15290406.post-52682896838719788812015-02-13T12:17:28.249-05:002015-02-13T12:17:28.249-05:00"As Moore aptly noted, the Declaration of Ind...<i>"As Moore aptly noted, the Declaration of Independence is the law of the land...</i>"<br /><br />Sorry, the <i>Constitution</i> is the law of the land. The DOI is just a note unfriending Great Britain and George III. <br /><br />Anyone not knowing the difference should not be in the legal profession, let alone the Chief Justice of the state of Alabama.<br /><br />Roy Moore showing his bigotry again.rickn8orhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16911803300343351338noreply@blogger.com