Curmudgeonly & Skeptical presents Boned Jello: black hole theory v2.14a

Wednesday, March 09, 2011

black hole theory v2.14a

I'm an inveterate cosmologist who, except for an unfortunate slip on a job application, would today have my own Universe show on a Hitler channel. Anyway, I watched something the other night - I forget which show it was - that introduced me to a whole now possibility for black holes

. The supposition advanced was "what if we fell into a black hole, and instead of being torn apart, we exited into an entirely new universe?" Which could qualify as that new universe's "Big Bang" moment. Wow.

Of course I'm really not on a level with Stephen Hawking (who evidently knew at some point what to do with a cosine), but I've come to appreciate the possibility that no astro-expert really knows what the hell is going on out there, or why. I think God's fucking with them.

Rodger the Real King of France 3/09/2011 12:08:00 PM 27 Comments

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Kristophr said...: Good scientists admit it when they don't know something.

They don't make up things to explain it, like cooking up the notion of God.

Admission of ignorance is a strength of the scientific method, not a weakness. Science is falsifiable, things that are proven wrong are chucked out.; 3/9/11, 1:29 PM
Jess said...: Considering the tremendous amount of ionizing radiation around a black hole, I don't think making a trip through one would be nearly as daunting as finding a way to fly thousands of tons of lead to the departure point. Otherwise, the trip is moot if you're crispy.; 3/9/11, 1:55 PM
Anonymous said...: Cosines? That's easy, Rodger. You add them. Unless they're negative, when it's just like subtracting. Stuff like that.; 3/9/11, 2:09 PM
DougM said...: Never cosine a loan.

Never take a thought experiment seriously when the guy says, "But you don't die."; 3/9/11, 2:41 PM
Helly said...: I think God's fucking with them.

I know what you mean, Rodge. Good thing it's always those sorry bastards and not us, eh?

Poor Hawking. On top of everything else, he caught Carl Sagan's Disease—thinks he's building the Loom of Time.; 3/9/11, 2:59 PM
Anonymous said...: "They don't make up things to explain it"

You mean like inventing dark matter and dark energy because what is known about the universe didn't measure up to the Big Bang Theory?; 3/9/11, 3:13 PM
Kristophr said...: Dark matter and dark energy are theories to try to explain observed effects on galactic rotation and mass distribution.

They are properly labeled as theories.

If evidence is found that contradicts them, they will be thrown out, and become as dead as the 19th Century "Ether" theory.

That is how science works. You make an observation. You come up with a hypothosis ( theory ) to explain the observation. You then need to prove your theory.; 3/9/11, 4:13 PM
Kristophr said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 3/9/11, 4:14 PM
Kristophr said...: I think part of the problem here is ignorant newsies trying to sensationalize what are simply mundane observations.

Astronomers noted that the expansion rate, the speed at which galaxies fly away from each other, for really distant ( and therefor far in the past ) objects is less than that for nearer ( and therefor not so far in the past ).

They decided to call the unknown agency responsible for this "dark energy".

This is similar to those unknown agencies called Magnetism and Gravity. We know all about how magnetism and gravity work, but we have no clue why they do what they do.; 3/9/11, 4:25 PM
Anonymous said...: Dang it Rodger, how did all these smart mofo's get in here?

Casca; 3/9/11, 4:44 PM
Rodger the Real King of France said...: moths to the light, casca, moths to the light.; 3/9/11, 7:02 PM
Anonymous said...: Hey, if your theory of rotation doesn't work, explain it away with dark matter and dark energy. If your math on the Big Bang doesn't add up, allow for a temporary inflation.

We can't assume that we are near the center of the universe, which is thought to be 14 billion years old, but we can see over 13 billion light years in any direction.

The universe is neither contracting nor expanding. It is just breathing.

Laurence; 3/9/11, 7:06 PM
USMC2841 said...: I tried to phone and get clarification from Steven Hawking but I kept getting his machine; 3/9/11, 7:27 PM
Anonymous said...: Nothing exists, we are part of a dream of Lazarus Long.; 3/9/11, 7:43 PM
Marie said...: Kristopher has it backwards. We didn't invent God. God invented us.

The pots sit there talking amongst themselves, trying to convince each other that they made the potter. It won't work.; 3/9/11, 8:35 PM
I-RIGHT-I said...: So, the Potter made pot for pots that take pot-shots at the Potter? Yeppers, He's fuq'n with us.; 3/9/11, 9:17 PM
Tony Neville said...: We're way past the supposition stage. The experiment was conducted by Disney scientists back in 1979.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDj6XtZrxvw

Case closed.; 3/9/11, 11:37 PM
Anonymous said...: THE UNIVERSE
Some information to help you live in it.

ONE: AREA
Infinite.

TWO: IMPORTS
None. It is impossible to import things into an infinite area, there being no outside to import things from.

THREE: EXPORTS
None. See imports.

FOUR: RAINFALL
None. Rain cannot fall because in an infinite space there is no up for it to fall down from.

FIVE: POPULATION
None. It is known that there is an infinite number of worlds, but that not every one is inhabited. Therefore there is a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so if every planet in the Universe has a population of zero then the entire population of the Universe must also be zero, and any people you may actually meet from time to time are merely the product of a deranged imagination.

SIX: MONETARY UNITS
None. In fact there are three easily convertible currencies in the Universe, but the Altairian Dollar has recently collapsed, the Flainian Pobblebead is only echangable for other Flainian Pobblebeads, and the Trigantic Pu doesn't really count as money. It's exchange rate of six ningis to one pu is simple, but since a ningi is a triangular rubber coin six thousand eight hundred miles along each side, no one has ever collected enough to own one pu. Ningis are not negotiable currency because the Galactibanks refuse to deal in fiddling small change. From this basic premise it is very simple to prove that the Galatibanks are also the products of a deranged imagination.

SEVEN: SEX
None. Well actually there is an awful lot of this, largely because of the total lack of money, trade, banks, rainfall or anything else that might keep all the non-existent people in the Universe occupied. However it is not worth embarking on a long discussion of it now because it really is terribly complicated. For further information see chapters seven, nine, ten, eleven, fourteen, sixteen, seventeen, twenty one and eighty four inclusive and most of the rest of the book.

It is largely on account of passages like this that the book of the Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy is being revised by Ford Prefect and Arthur Dent. Unfortunately they are being presented with too many distractions to be able to settle down to doing any solid research.
GrinfilledNarrator; 3/10/11, 12:45 AM
Kristophr said...: Show me this potter.

I'll wait while you trot him out, I-RIGHT-I.

Perhaps we should just agree that matters of strictly faith are by nature always going to be unprovable here on earth?; 3/10/11, 1:21 AM
Anonymous said...: "Show me" said the blind man, with his fingers in his ears.
"Na na na na na la la la."
"See, that proves it, God doesn't exist."

"Kristopher exists." -God; 3/10/11, 8:12 AM
Anonymous said...: "Dark matter and dark energy are theories to try to explain observed effects on galactic rotation and mass distribution.

They are properly labeled as theories.

If evidence is found that contradicts them, they will be thrown out, and become as dead as the 19th Century "Ether" theory."

The original claim was that science does not make things up. With no evidence to support dark matter or dark energy, both were "invented" to explain anomalies with the Big Bang theory.

The same "inventions" have occurred with quantum physics when something doesn't add up or is not understood.

Also, claiming we understand gravity is false. We do not yet understand gravity. It is the weakest of the four forces, the most prevalent force, yet the least understood.

Claiming God created the Universe is just as valid, perhaps more so since it explains everything, as claiming we're here because of the Big Bang.

An interesting factoid: Edgar Allan Poe is credited for inventing the Big Bang concept.; 3/10/11, 10:36 AM
Kristophr said...: Anon: Nice strawman argument you made there to set fire to.

Science does not confuse theory with proven fact.

But you know this already ... you just wanted to deliberately confuse the two in order to claim that theorizing is equal to religious belief.

My eyes and ears are wide open, anon.

Trot out this God for me. I'm still waiting. Extraordinary claims require the same level of evidence. If you say aliens exist, I want to see one.

I offered an olive branch by admitting that religious belief is unprovable by definition, but you would have none of it.

So prove your claim, zealot-boy.; 3/10/11, 2:24 PM
I-RIGHT-I said...: "Science is falsifiable, things that are proven wrong are chucked out."

A preponderance of the greatest minds on earth past and present maintained a Christian faith as they explored the ways and means of creation.

Contra wise the greatest minds that ever existed who were bent toward the destruction of creation maintained your point of view. I would imagine that it's true of you as it was of them that when they say "trot him out" they were looking in the mirror.

Those facts may not be "proof" as you understand it but they certainly qualify as circumstantial evidence. "Evidence you sneer, evidence of what?" Evidence that you are on the wrong side of history my young friend.... You must suspend your cherished disbelief and practice that "open mindedness" you demand of others. If you're sincere and seek all that "proof" you require will come, that's a promise.; 3/10/11, 7:06 PM
leelu said...: I think God's fucking with them.

Nah. She just has a way wicked sense of humor.; 3/10/11, 7:07 PM
Tony Neville said...: [b]"A preponderance of the greatest minds on earth past and present maintained a Christian faith as they explored the ways and means of creation."[/b]

Didn't you notice the little hook beside the laboratory entrance. You hang your rabbit's foot on it before entering and collect your rabbit's foot on the way out. Christian scientists have been using it for centuries.

I reckon Kristopher is pretty much on the ~right~ side of history unlike the preponderance Christians if his philosophy is one of reason, inalienable rights, limited government, free market capitalism, and individual responsibility. He just has no need for a rabbit's foot to tell him he's on the right path.; 3/11/11, 12:32 AM
I-RIGHT-I said...: That is simply stupid Neville. Where you find "reason, inalienable rights, limited government, free market capitalism, and individual responsibility" you find the Christian faith under girding it all; there are books on that very subject recently published. Pick one up and try not and let your Libertoonism get in the way of the facts. You're welcome.; 3/11/11, 6:18 AM
Anonymous said...: "Trot out this God for me. I'm still waiting. Extraordinary claims require the same level of evidence. If you say aliens exist, I want to see one.

I offered an olive branch by admitting that religious belief is unprovable by definition, but you would have none of it."

Trot out this dark energy or dark matter. Your original claim was that science doesn't make stuff up. Yes it does, and very often. *harumpt* Global Warming *harumpt*; 3/11/11, 2:14 PM

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black hole theory v2.14a

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