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            Monday, November 24, 2014




 
Jesuits support Obama immigration order







Calling it “a major step forward,” the U.S. Jesuits, the Jesuit Refugee Service/USA, and the Kino Border Initiative, a bi-national border ministry, have added their voices to Catholic groups welcoming President Obama’s executive order to provide immigration relief.  They added that there remains much work to be done.
The Obama announcement Nov. 20 offers temporary relief from deportation for as many as five million of our people.  The groups said they were pleased with the initiative.

BUT: All developed countries in the world have immigration laws.... There is nothing in the Bible to prohibit a country from having completely open borders or to have completely closed borders. Romans 13:1-7 also gives the government the authority to punish lawbreakers. Whether the punishment is imprisonment and/or deportation, or even something more severe, it is within the rights of the government to determine.
“At the same time we acknowledge that millions more families will continue to suffer under the constant specter of family separation caused by our broken immigration system, which can only be permanently resolved through positive, humane and practical legislation.”

“Through our ministries, we witness on a daily basis the tragic consequences of our nation’s current immigration laws and policies,” the statement reads.

“As Jesuits, we assess each immigration policy by whether it adheres to the Catholic and American value of promoting and affirming human dignity.”

“The President has exercised his constitutional discretion to prioritize immigration enforcement resources, while offering a process by which some of the 11 million undocumented may apply for a temporary reprieve.  Meanwhile, Congressional leaders must complete the urgent and necessary work of permanently fixing our unjust and broken immigration system.” [Full]


Here are Biblical passages that I assume the Jesuits are complying with:

Romans 13:1-7states, “Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.”

This passage makes it abundantly clear that we are to obey the government God places over us. God created government to establish order, punish evil, and promote justice (Genesis 9:6;1 Corinthians 14:33;Romans 12:8). We are to obey the government in everything—paying taxes, obeying rules and laws, and showing respect. If we do not, we are ultimately showing disrespect towards God, for He is the One who placed that government over us. When the apostle Paul wrote to the Romans, he was under the government of Rome during the reign of Nero, perhaps the most evil of all the Roman emperors. Paul still recognized the Roman government’s rule over him. How can we do any less?

The next question is “Is there a time when we should intentionally disobey the laws of the land?” The answer to that question may be found inActs 5:27-29, “Having brought the apostles, they made them appear before the Sanhedrin to be questioned by the high priest. 'We gave you strict orders not to teach in this Name,' he said. 'Yet you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching and are determined to make us guilty of this man's blood.' Peter and the other apostles replied: ‘We must obey God rather than men!'“ From this, it is clear that as long as the law of the land does not contradict the law of God, we are bound to obey the law of the land. As soon as the law of the land contradicts God's command, we are to disobey the law of the land and obey God's law. However, even in that instance, we are to accept the government’s authority over us. This is demonstrated by the fact that Peter and John did not protest being flogged, but instead rejoiced that they suffered for obeying God (Acts 5:40-42).

Jesuits (The Society of Jesus) was founded by Ignatius of Loyola in 1540.  Loyola had a strong military background and the Order was for  "whoever desires to serve as a soldier of God."  Jesuits are sometimes referred to colloquially as "God's Soldiers" or "God's Marines"


To this day, the Drinan case constitutes a good example of the potential harm that can be done when Catholic clergy become unduly involved in contemporary civil politics. The controversial voting-record of Congressman Drinan, and the understandable scandal it was causing, might very well have been the motivating factor behind John Paul II’s decision to revamp canon law on this issue.
First, in learning and dedication to living the word of our Lord Jesus Christ, Jesuits are my superior, and I would do well to emulate their devotion.  I do however tend to see Jesuits as the Left Wing of the Roman Catholic Church in some cases. Perhaps I'm influenced by Father Robert Drinan, the fiery Jesuit priest from Massachusetts, who demonstrated against the Vietnam War,  ran for Congress as an antiwar candidate and won. A true Democrat, and perhaps roll model of other rogue Catholics (like Pelosi and Kerry, et.al.),  Fr. Drinan repeatedly voted in favor of abortion, while claiming at the same time to be “personally opposed.”  In 1980 Pope John Paul II ordered "that priests would henceforth not be permitted to hold political office." [Canon Law Made Easy] I see more than a little Drinamyte in the Jesuit endorsement of our rogue president.


Spent six years in junior seminary,(not Jesuit) wanting to be a Jesuit so bad I could taste it. Applied at the seminaries I could maybe afford, but I didn't have a chance, because of my schoolwork. My tested IQ (154) was borderline, my sat's (640 english, 720 math)were, well, just OK, and my grades sucked(I hated being in a classroom), so not a chance. Money could have fixed these issues, but I didn't have that either. I would still give an arm and all of my teeth to be able to sign SJ after my name. -Billy Rubin

They believe they are justified by Biblical law (more citations under the fold above), but then so am I. As noted by Canon Law:


All developed countries in the world have immigration laws.... There is nothing in the Bible to prohibit a country from having completely open borders or to have completely closed borders. Romans 13:1-7 also gives the government the authority to punish lawbreakers. Whether the punishment is imprisonment and/or deportation, or even something more severe, it is within the rights of the government to determine

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So, this statement by the Jesuits infers conditions that simply do not exist in this country.  Again, I can't help but question motive.


“The President has exercised his constitutional discretion to prioritize immigration enforcement resources, while offering a process by which some of the 11 million undocumented may apply for a temporary reprieve.  Meanwhile, Congressional leaders must complete the urgent and necessary work of permanently fixing our unjust and broken immigration system.”

How, pray tell, is our legislated immigration policy unjust?  If it's broken, blame Eric Holder for breaking it by prosecuting states like Arizona for trying to uphold the law.  It's that law that Obamunists have been violating.  It's they who ignore our written Constitution and immigration laws by fiat!  If the Jesuits are to be consistent, they ought be demanding rebellion against this tyrannical Obama government. Or, maybe just STFU.

JMJ

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DEPORT ALL JESUITS.
 
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II suppose any of us her could shred this whole piece of Leftist crap in detail, but I'll pick just one part;
...we witness on a daily basis the tragic consequences of our nation’s current immigration laws and policies,”..
Our current laws are not being enforced, so that is not a cause of tragic consequences. Families are separated, people are "in the shadows" because the illegal invaders chose to come here, leaving their families behind. Coming here was their choice; they were not brought her in chains or at gunpoint.
The reason they came her was because of their own disfunctional, bribe ridden, socialist or dictatorial governments that rule on the whim of men, not the rule of law. Where there are laws in their home countries, they are written by a wealthy oligarchy and enforced with well placed bribes.
That is not our fault.
What I find particularly galling is that these illegal invaders want our laws corrupted to suit their needs just as the laws are corrupted where they came from.
I would like to see another Operation Wetback where a seriuous sweep and deportation is made in selected areas, encouraging most of the rest to self-deport.
I have nothing against the hard working immigrants I've met, and rather liked them, but I want them to come here sponsored by their employers, properly vetted, enrolled in tax witholding programs and issued green cards. If they get a driver's license, it must identify the holder as an alien, and they must be insured per state requirements.
We must have a law or Constitutional amendment that ends the anchor baby scam.
After jumping through those hoops, welcome to America.
Lt. Col. Gen. Tailgunner dick
 
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So the Catholic Church has always been a socialist organization. Am I correct here?
 
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I'm impressed — it's not easy to out-presbytery Presbyterians.
 
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Basically this amounts to "follow the money." The likely illegals are Catholic, who will come to church and contribute to the collection boxes.

In our churches in Birmingham, AL, they already have services in Spanish. If ICE showed up at these services, they would have to be shut down for lack of interest.
 
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If I could add onto Tailgunner Dick's list...
No welfare or any social services for people who can't prove they are here legally.
No sanctuary state/city. Any city/state who provides assistance to illegals gets all of their federal funds turned off until compliance.
Then again we could just put a $5000 tax free bounty on illegals. A whole new industry would be created from that.
 
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I agree with TG Dick completely, particularly on the need to enforce our borders and immigration laws.

These people are illegal aliens, not immigrants.

As a Catholic, I would add that the Church is wrong more often than right when it comes to political matters (e.g. executive amnesty, supporting Democratic candidates who legislate to perpetuate the wholesale slaughter of babies, etc.).

So I dismiss its maudlin wailing and gnashing of teeth as nonsense.

For me, being a Catholic is what happens from going to Mass and trying to live outside of the church edifice in accordance with what I learn about God and His word from my attending Mass.
 
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