Tuesday, August 01, 2006

Psychic Detectives

A skeptic's dilemma
Back in 1992 I mentioned that we watched John Edward (the medium, not the disreputable one named ''John Edwards''),  and that I had to conclude he ''was either able to contact the dead, or was able to read the minds of audience members.''  Took a lot of heat from skeptics for that, but I stand by it.  Edward took, and takes, a terrible shellacking himself, none worse than from South Park, who worked him over worse than Al Gore and Mel Gibson combined.  The thing is, their reasoning was based on a false premise ... that Edward manipulated people into revealing information that he regurgitated.  I'm saying that does not come close to describing Edward's technique, but then again, I don't really care.  Take it or leave it.

Here's what prompted this thread.  Mother Superior has taken to watching a Court TV program called Psychic Detectives on Court TV, and has dragged me along.  I defy anybody to get started on an episode, and turn it off.  I'm sure you've been exposed to this before, but in case not, last night's show is typical of the genre.

  • Lovely high school track star goes missing.
  • Worried mother says she has never stayed out all night before.
  • Cops find no leads.
  • One cop suggests they try a psychic, chief detective says okay, but don't tell anyone,
  • Woman (most seem to be female) medium agrees to help (no money involved).
  • While holding some of the girls possessions she sees her getting on a bus ... a man has put her on a bus ....
  • Cops take that lead and discover a heretofore unknown boyfriend who she had visited the night she disappeared.  He claims he put her on a city bus, and the driver remembers her (she was pretty, remember?). Boy friend is off the hook.
  • Impressed by the medium's accuracy, they call her back for more info if possible.
  • The medium says ''She went home.  I see her taking her shoes and coat off ... but now she's telling me she's so cold .. she went out .. to a park.''  Medium cannot understand why she would go home, take off her shoes, then go back out without them.
  • Cops take her to her to girl's home and ask the mother if psychic can see the girl's bed room.  Mom and medium go upstairs, and she lay on the girl's bed in a trance. Cop stays downstairs.
  • Medium sees the girl taking her shoes off ... sees the mother come in ... yelling, the mother throws her out.  Suddenly the medium, says out loud, in the girl's voice,  ''Mommy, where have you put me?'
  • Cop hears loud scream upstairs, and mother comes down yelling and hollering and tells them to get out.
  • The psychic says, she's dead, ''she told me she's dead.''  her mother killed her ... she's buried in a park near a religious statue ... with running water ...

Which is where her body is found, without shoes or a coat.  The mother admits she killed her daughter after an argument about her staying out so late.  She threw her out of the house, not letting her even put her shoes and coat on.  Then she followed her to a park and shot her dead, burying her in a shallow grave near a fountain with an angel.

Would the South Park guys make the same claims against these mediums that they used against Edward?  That they are charlatans,  who make the families reveal who killed their husbands, wifes, kids, through trickery?  Or is it that they are duping  the dead people?  You see the dilemma, don't you?  Not my dilemma.  The skeptic's.

9 comments:

BlogDog said...

Edward is a charlatan.
http://www.csicop.org/si/2001-11/i-files.html

Rodger the Real King of France said...

Like I said, I have no vested interest in Edward's success. The Dateline episode may very well be a case of a batter who hits 40 homers a year using steroids so he can hit 50. Then, there is the Psychic Detective ... maybe Dateline has an answer for that as well? I look at it as a matter of curiosity, not a religious experience; I think the media do see it as a religious thing, and treat as a cancer. BTW, I can go back and cite any number of Dateline shows that were rigged. It doesn't mean they all are. It means when you commit to performing on cue, it's tempting to take shortcuts.

Anonymous said...

The Amazing Randi (a magician) has had $1,000,000 up for grabs for about 30 years. To win you only need to claim pyschic abilities and he has to disprove it. (I think that's the way it works). He still has his money. No one has been able to make a reputable claim, including Uri Gellar, whom Randi embarrassed previously. If there really were psychics, I think we'd see evidence of their abilities. Along with aliens, and Bigfoot, and Nessie. I WANT to believe, but I'm old and bitter. And skeptical.

Rodger the Real King of France said...

Hey, I'm open. Tell me how cold murder cases are solved by psychics ... what's the gimmick there?

Anonymous said...

Rodger,I watch all the shows on Court TV, including this one.What bothers me is how come they never solve the famous
ones like Natalee Holaway? Boazo

Anonymous said...

I can add this. I was roped into an investigation where a 15 year old girl took off with a 50 year old truck driver. She decided she wants to come home but he will not let her go. Several laws are violated in this whole affair the first one that got us involved was Transporting a minor across state lines for lewd and obscene purposes. I accidentally met a so called reader and she told me the girl was in Denver living in a van. I got the guy that had her brother’s phone records and found a bunch of phone numbers from a pay phone at a flea market just outside of Denver. When I arrested the asshole they were in a Ford Econoline and he was selling VHS tapes of her doing unmentionable things with different people. I also arrested his brother for driving them across the Tennessee line to Ga. I never saw the woman again that told me about Denver and the Van. So I don’t know it might have been a lucky guess on her part. But it weired me out.

Rodger the Real King of France said...

I've no idea why some famous cases haven't been solved this way, but will guess that the psychic thing is not an automatic. Prolly 100 failures for every success. I am intrigued by the notion that the successes are unassailable, and ''speaking'' to dead victims is no different than speaking to dead uncles. Right? What am I missing here?

Anonymous said...

I've seen shows and done a little light reading on psychic "abilities". They are successful because of the general nature of their predictions such as, "I sense the victim is near water." Because water is present nearly everywhere (river,pond, kitchen sink), that prediction will almost always come true. Its a matter of probabilities.

Check Randi's website: http://www.randi.org/

for more info. (I'm not a disciple of Randi or anything. He just knows more about this subject than probably anyone else).

Rodger the Real King of France said...

Sorry, but that generality does not come close to describing what happens in these cases ... Did you read my synopsis? These mediums are very specific (including in this instance that the girl would be found without shoes or coat). There is NO fkn way these things can be spun .. Unless. Unless all the cops are lying.

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