Wednesday, July 11, 2007

Pope Benedict

Whoops-Don't Look

Protestant churches yesterday reacted with dismay to a new declaration approved by Pope Benedict XVI insisting they were mere "ecclesiastical communities" and their ministers effectively phonies with no right to give communion.

Coming just four days after the reinstatement of the Latin mass, yesterday's document left no doubt about the Pope's eagerness to back traditional Roman Catholic practices and attitudes, even at the expense of causing offence.

The view that Protestants cannot have churches was first set out by Pope Benedict seven years ago when, as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, he headed the Vatican "ministry" for doctrine. A commentary attached to the latest text acknowledged that his 2000 document, Dominus Iesus, had caused "no little distress". - Dismay and anger


Since any real discussion must be steeped in theology, a subject of which I know little, I'm not getting into it.  Except a little.  Evidently Pope Benedict and I were in agreement over Vatican II, Pope John XXIII's ecumenical council that reshaped the face of Catholicism.  While I didn't think of it in these terms then, today I'd call it the "Great Appeasement."  The practical effect of Vatican II was to destroy much of the church's traditions and ceremony, and what is a religion, a nation, or an organization  without them?  Answer:  Something else. 

It seems Benedict  is here referring to the line of succession established by Jesus Christ when he chose Peter as the first head of the church.  Every Catholic priest since has that spiritual DNA.  Henry VIII understood the importance of maintaining that line.  When he went about establishing the Church of England, he ordered Catholic Bishops, who hold the power to consecrate new priests, to change teams and start consecrating, or be killed.  Ergo, my Episcopalian friends argue, the line is unbroken. 

Most of the screaming that I'm expecting will come, I suspect,  from people who were last in a church to bury their grandmother.  I admire the Catholic Church, not because I am one by conversion, but  because it has been one of the few world bodies to maintain its principles (I do not include Catholic Universities here) in the face of secularism (another word for "Progressivism," and we know what that's another name for, don't we?).

Pope Benedict will certainly maintain that tradition, but I  find myself saying WTF?  I mean, all this is an unnecessary distraction.  We should be focusing on  raising a billion man army to destroy Islam, and the Democrat party.

12 comments:

Anonymous said...

Sounds remarkably parallel to the Sunni/Shi-ite dichotomy. IOW, if you don't worship MY god MY way, I'll take my church and go home. Not being a particularly good Xtian myself, I'm forced to wonder WWJD?

Anonymous said...

I'm the Senior Warden of a small Episcopal church down south and I was always fascinated by the fact that the church was founded just so Henry VIII could get a divorce.
Tim

Anonymous said...

Generally, I've been pretty supportive of Il Papa. I mean, someone who was once known as "God's Rottweiler" can't be all bad.

But I think Pope Benny needs to remember who his friends are. His Holiness and his flock theologically have more in common w/ Bible-thumping evangelicals in Alabama than they do w/ Moslums in Iran or existentialists in France.

Anonymous said...

Give the Pope a break. After rolling over and showing his yellow belly to the muslims (the Manuel II Paleologus quote and subsequent apology), he's gotta find an easy target. The Orthodox Christians are unlikely to riot.

We need to get back to the good old times when if a Pope didn't do, you'd just name an new one and set him up in Avignon.

Anonymous said...

Help me out here - from a political standpoint, most religions here in the USA trend to the conservative side of things. The Catholic church, excepting issues like abortion, seems to lean pretty far to the left politically. Look at their stance on the immigration bill - they were all for opening the entire country to any mexican that wanted to come over.

Rodger the Real King of France said...

The American church has more than a fair share of, uh - pioneers. It's pretty easy to cross the line from Christ-like to commie.

Anonymous said...

I'm not Catholic but my wife is and we take the kids to Mass every Sunday. My wife and the priest are both of an age where they received their First Communion under "Vatican I" and are pleased as punch that The Holy Father is leading the charge, so to speak, in repealing "Vatican II." It'll still be a long time coming before you'll hear Mass given in Latin again but they're going to start printing Missals in Latin again (1962 was the last Latin printing).

Personally, I'd like to hear a Latin Mass.... and I mean Latin, not Latino1

Anonymous said...

I'll believe Protestants are dismayed and angered when someone shows me a dismayed and angered Protestant. Guardian should have said "Dismay and anger, we assume". It makes a good jumping off point for pointing out which of the 95 Theses are still not satisfactorily answered I guess, and that's probably what I'd do if it weren't for the heat and the case of retardophobia I'm picking up. But if the "Catholic" church didn't believe that their peculiar errors constitute catholicism, they wouldn't be called Catholic, would they?

Anonymous said...

What's that?...Pope Benny and the horse he rode in on?....(get a load of those bow legs)Haha

Anonymous said...

He is warning the mamby-pambies that the feel good anything goes religions are not and will not be recognised by the Church. These would be everything from snake handlers to Wiccans and include the practicing homosexual priests and priestess's of protestant sects. They are not churches so don't call them churches. In other words the NAMBLA branch of the Easternright Unitarians won't be invited to His Holiness's next Ecumenical Council.

Anonymous said...

"We should be focusing on raising a billion man army to destroy Islam."

I'm Catholic.

We are.

Anonymous said...

As far as the Church being left leaning? no it is not by any means. That is just the American branch of the Catholic church and it has been admonished many times by each Pope. the contoversy is nothing new and will not change other denomination one whit nor should it. But I am aligned with Rodger on this right at the hip.

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