Tuesday, May 20, 2008
13 comments:
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LifeTrek said...
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I'm Batman damn-it!
Here is another one for you, when Obama and the left attack us for our use of natural resources why don't they ever mention what the world gets for their investment? Seems like a good return to me.
DKK -
5/20/08, 12:18 AM
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Anonymous said...
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The Left likes to compare America's use of resourses with other countries on a per capita basis.I say this is nonsense.The only statistics that make any sense is the units of goods,food,and services produced in the utilization of units of resourses.Comparing the USA to third world countries and to China and India is ridiculous.The efficiency of our factories and farms is as good as any and better than most and that is while abiding by all the environmental and safety laws in effect here that producers in many countries don't have to cope with.As other countries production increases so to will their demand for resourses.Our job will be to use resourses in the most efficient manner by keeping our standards of productivity as a high level....As far as the petroleum situation goes,we are going to have to have vehicles that are more efficient users of fuel along with nuclear produced electricity, and more domestic oil exploration,drilling, and refining,and I still believe that coal needs to find it's spot in the mix because cheap oil's days are over.I'll never believe that ethanol from corn or any food will ever be an answer for increasing fuel production,however ethanol from cellulose should be researched strenuously.
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5/20/08, 4:33 AM
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Anonymous said...
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I think that people are being too vredulous about oil. Didn't anyone live through the 80's? I remember Yale professors spending over list prices for VW disel rabbits and categorically stating that we were running out of oil and the price would only go up. In five years the Rabbits were on junk heaps, they did not even fall into poor people's hands for basic transportation because no one wanted such a sluggish car and all could afford better. Remember the GM big disels? Nost oil production industry (Mexico, Russia, Saud, Veniz.) are state owned and state run. How efficient do you think worldwide oil discovery and production are?
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5/20/08, 7:52 AM
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Juice said...
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Horry Shite, Robin. I should'a had the prune juice this morning!
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5/20/08, 11:33 AM
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Anonymous said...
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Da-da da-da da-da da-da,
Da-da da-da da-da da-da BatMom!
JMcD, even the most efficient non-food crop for making ethanol isn't going to work. It will still use up a large chunk of our arable land cutting into the food supply. It's been estimated that in order to free us from foreign oil we would need to plant corn on all of our farmland plus another 20% on someone else's land.
GrinfilledCelt -
5/20/08, 12:46 PM
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Anonymous said...
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Sorry GC...Didn't mean to suggest that ethanol from cellulose would completely replace Mid East oil,but to help, along with our coal supplies,to reduce our dependence on petroleum.I don't think one thing, no matter what it's source, is the total answer.I also mentioned that we need oil exploration,drilling and increased refining capacity.As time goes by, and it wont be long in coming, there will be such an increased demand on fuel resourses,that we will need all we can get from every source.I'm also thinking of the Germans and their use of coal based ersatz gasoline in WWII...............I'm including here some copied info from Wikipedia.It's some cellulose ethanol data.I believe this stuff has potential to help relieve some of the fuel problem........."Cellulosic ethanol (also called lignocellulosic ethanol/ ceetoh and ceetol) is a type of biofuel produced from lignocellulose, a structural material that comprises much of the mass of plants. Lignocellulose is composed mainly of cellulose, hemicellulose and lignin. Corn stover, switchgrass, miscanthus and woodchips are some of the more popular cellulosic materials for ethanol production. Cellulosic ethanol is chemically identical to ethanol from other sources, such as corn starch or sugar, but has the advantage that the lignocellulose raw material is highly abundant and diverse. (The word "cellulosic" simply refers to the source material.) However, it differs in that it requires a greater amount of processing to make the sugar monomers available to the microorganisms that are typically used to produce ethanol by fermentation".............Isn't it true that the more clever we are at using all our options for fuel resourses, the more competative we will be with the rest of the world.I think it's what's needed so that we can sustain the quality of our way of life.No matter how good China and India get at competing..I don't want their lifestyle.
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5/20/08, 5:31 PM
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ricpic said...
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What a relief to reach the I don't give a crap age.
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5/20/08, 8:51 PM
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Anonymous said...
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Sorry JMcD, you just touched off a sore topic with me. I didn't mean to imply that you meant to suggest that ethanol from cellulose would completely replace Mid East oil, or that I disagreed with anything else you said. We should indeed keep looking for fuel alternatives and try to find ways to make them practical. Right now ethanol isn't even close. It's just a profit making scheme/hoax thought up by the Arthur Daniels Midland Corporation. Not only is ethanol a horrible waste of food, it's a scandalous waste of liquor.
GrinfilledCelt -
5/20/08, 10:05 PM
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Anonymous said...
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Couldn't agree with you more GC...As I stated above...."I'll never believe that ethanol from corn or any food will ever be an answer"........
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5/21/08, 1:00 AM
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Anonymous said...
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By the way GC, isn't 'Midland' the outfit that sold all that grain to the USSR, many years ago, at bargain prices and when they got through,American food & meat producers and every other business envolved in feeding us all,paid a premium price for grain,and of course, passed the increased costs on to us all.....If you espouse a 'screw Midland' philosophy,I'm with you one hundred percent.......Best Regards.
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5/21/08, 1:20 AM
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Anonymous said...
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Don't want to hammer it into the ground GC, but this is an interesting bit from the FOOD FIRST site regarding the grain sale to the USSR..........."In 1972 with grain prices low, farmers growing restive, and a presidential election looming, USDA Secretary Earl Butz engineered a 30 million-ton grain sale to the USSR, financed with a $700 million export credit loan to buy the grain. The Soviets bought a quarter of the 1972 wheat crop, boosting prices fourfold. Corn prices also surged. A Midwest drought in 1973 resulted in even higher prices. Along with the 1973 OPEC oil embargo, the Soviet grain sale helped spark the "stagflation" that gripped the U.S. economy into the next decade." ...........All the best..JMcD
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5/21/08, 1:29 AM
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Rodger the Real King of France said...
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I'm digging way back into memory land, but I seem to remember that the Russky's had been monitoring US phone calls, which gave them inside information on the US commodities market.
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5/21/08, 6:43 AM
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Anonymous said...
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Yessir Roge. I believe that they knew a whole lot more about us than we did them....Always struck me in a sore spot that we accomplished in that grain deal the propping up of the USSR's economy while simultaneously, along with the oil embargo, destroying our own.....Guess I'll always remember the 70's as the decade of troubles.
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5/21/08, 12:33 PM
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