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Some men can't raise their sons and then let them fledge to be on their own, but continue to live their lives vicariously through their sons' accomplishments. Kipling was from the glory era of the Empire, where military service as an officer was sought by and expected of gentlemen. In spite of Jack's age and physical problems, Rudyard couldn't stand the idea that his son might miss the opportunity to go to war and win glory. What the old men of Europe hadn't realized yet (1915) was that this was industrialized war, bereft of glory and full of sordid killing by the tens of thousands for a few hundred yards of worthless, burned, shattered, muddy land. In 1916, the Brits would lose 60,000 men in one assault, in one day, at the Somme. Jack's lost broke Kipling, and he was never the same after. Likewise, Teddy Roosevelt sent his sons to that war, and the loss of his youngest, Quentin, broke him as well.
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"What the old men of Europe hadn't realized yet (1915) was that this was industrialized war"
All the more shame to them for not seeing how all that had already been seen in the Russo-Japanese war of 1905.
War is the evilest necessity of the necessary evils and more so even than the poor, it will always be with us.
What the military men of Europe did not see was the American Civil War. The weapons were a bit better by 1915 but the trenches were still the same.
The Prussians sent observers to the ACW.
What they learned cost the French ... in the Franco-Prussian War as well as in WWI.
Interlocking MG fields of enfilade fire was originally a German notion.
No, it wasn't Kipling's or TR's egos that sent their sons to war, but the desire to see them live their lives as men, not as lesser beings. What selfishness it would be for a father to stifle a son's laudable patriotic instincts. There are worse things than death. Now go to your room, and read Lord Jim.
Casca
War is a evil thing caused by evil men fought by mostly poor to middle class men of character, Loyalty, Honor, Dedicated to their fellow Soldiers. Men like Joseph "Plum" Martin, Joshua Chamberlain, Alvin York, Audie Murphy, Joe Hooper. Men who sometimes don't die on the battlefield but leave their soul there aka "Joe Hooper". I could name 100,000 more on all sides who have fought and died and came home. Who are forgotten by their government and their fellow citizens. They have given their all in either blood are soul and are left hanging in the tree of liberty like rotten apples. The government thru with them, The public tired of the blood wishing only to move on. The evil men looking for the next war and "THE MEN OF HONOR TO FIGHT IT.
SPANKY
Casca, I agree with you on TR's motives, but Jack was damn near blind for crying out loud. Kipling pulled strings to put his physically unsuited son into the infantry. He may as well have had him join the Air Service and flap his arms.
TR was a patriot, but Wilson IMHO, got us into that war for his own reasons and not the good of America.
Look up the 1914 telegrams between the Kaiser and the Tsar where they discuss the unraveling situation, addressing each other as Willie and Nicky, like two schoolboys rolling up their sleeves over a playground spat. They were very much in a lancers and cavalry mindset, where a handful of professional soldiers would joust for a few weeks and then Europe could go back to normal, and even after it became an unimaginable horror for four years, in the end they still let the German Army go home without surrendering, let the Kaiser off, put a huge indemnity on the German people, laying the foundation for WW2.
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