so Scott thinks the people took to the streets to "air respectable
views in a most civil fashion," does he? Like the posters with the
signs calling President Obama "Chairman Maobama" and labeling him as
Hitler, or making pointed references to his race? If that's
"respectable," then why are they getting all upset about sly references
to teabagging? Oh.... because it's gay. - "Nameless
We're all excited here at the Barn Army, because we captured an enemy
operative! Well, okay, nameless
cynic [hereafter NC]
just walked in the door, but we ain't letting him go until after some
water boarding forces him to give up his secrets. The
so far has been conducted in a cellar way down
but I'm moving it into the open hall so nobody can accuse Samurai AG of
riding him naked, and forcing him to wear funny hats. One of the
he knows is what hospital Obama was
- Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu,
Hawaii. Which, incidentally, is in the United States of America (just
so you know). [NC]
This is important, because so far nobody I've found can identify
a written statement or interview or recorded
statement wherein Obama, himself, identifies which hospital he was born
in? In Dreams
Obama said he found his original birth certificate while he
was in high school, but has refused to produce it, or even state
was born in Queens or Kapi'olani. NC
is about to clear that up, it would appear by the strength of his
bluster. Then we can put to rest that and other nagging questions about
The Him's legal eligibility, if not his cognitive capabilities. .
Apparently, examination of the hospitals’
Hawaii have shown no birthing records for Ann Dunham Obama even though
there is a registry of the birth in the public records office a week
after his date of birth it does not show his place of birth.
Many reference materials say Obama was born at
Kapiolani, including Wikipedia English
version under the subject “Barack Obama.”
Apparently, examination of the hospitals’ records in
Hawaii have shown no birthing records for Ann Dunham Obama even though
there is a registry of the birth in the public records office a week
after his date of birth it does not show his place of birth.
BTW NC, I am relying extensively on the work of
erstwhile rabid democrats like TD's
blog, and even lunatics like democraticunderground.com
below.I suggest spending time at Texas Darlin's, because you've
obviously got the DU script pretty much memorized.
Moving on. You'll understand our reluctance
claims made by lefty activists claiming to have had extensive military
service, and inside knowledge -- what with the extensive record of
soldiers you guys have foisted upon us. Anyway, true or no, your supposed service doesn't mean crap in the battle. I do find it disingenuous at best, and cold hearted otherwise, that a husband and father of three would see them murdered by Islamo fascists before using comparatively benign methods like water boarding to make high ranking al Qaeda scum bags reveal details that would forestall that attack. I'm going with disingenuous.
Your angst over
participants "calling President Obama
'Chairman Maobama' and labeling him as Hitler,"
Finally, this. "Evading" was what
Bush did. (I'm not sure what to call it when you claim an
ass-pimple, like Rush did." You
know, it's crap like this that's caused me to despair of making the
effort of debating programmed knuckleheads like you.
the draft and taxes, is as all-American as apple-pie. Staying in
college and getting deferred is not against the law. Taking
income tax deductions is not against the law. Evasion, in both
is a felony. George W. Bush served honorably in the Texas Air
National Guard. Bill Clinton evaded the draft, and is
evading paying income tax. Of course there's that Unprecedented
Level of Tax Evasion Among Obama Appointees
I want to see his application to the Illinois Bar Association. When you apply to be a lawyer, you have to disclose practically everything except your shoe size. A certified true copy of his birth certificate will be included w/ his application.
Obama was the mystery savior during the election. No records offered. Now we know that he has Marxist leanings, no sense of economics, has Racist connections, swapped spit with Hugo Chavez and sat through a lecture from Daniel Ortega like a schoolboy.
Despite claiming to be a Constitutional Law Professor, he does not respect the Constitution, Bill of Rights or portions of his Oath of Office. So NC, peddle your tripe elsewhere. I don't believe anyone is buying it here.
"I'm a few months older than Obama ... and I recall that I was required to sign up for selective service, even though no draft was in progress." - kbarrett
I'm a couple of years younger than Bambi, and I had to do so as well. It wouldn't make him a draft doger, but it would disqualify him from receiving a federal student loan or working for the Postal Service - but apparently, it wouldn't disqualify him from being recognized by some (not me) as POTUS.
Did I miss something? No one is saying obami should have been Force Recon; just an American Citizen. As I understand it, the Dems have spent millions defending this attack. Would it not be much more thrifty in these fiscally challenging times to just stop by the office safe and pick up the birth cert? And maybe the doctorate thesis, and the grades, client list etc. But I digest.
Ok, lets just say you were on a jury. And someone just flat refused to produce evidence that common sense dictates they would certainly have (obstruction). Would that not make you say "hmmm, that's a might bit queer." And unless you have a sloppy joe for a brain you would just have to think "I think that there feller is a-hidin something" (where I come from innocent folks don't have much to hide).
Yes, this is the same Yahoo! Answers where pubescent teens talk about how many times it is safe to masturbate every day, and why their periods are late. That is definitely a valid source of information right there.
And Wiki? Where people can make their own edits on the fly?
I got my own room? How cool is that? (Although that's some weird homoerotic picture you got there, Rodger. I'm a little worried about you.)
Wow, that's a fascinating collection of conspiracy-theorists you put together for the Obama question. You know, if you get all your information from blogs, you'll go blind.
Which hospital? Well, I looked it up. This article says Kapiolani; and, you know, taking your source as multiple wikipedia entries in different languages is kind of a specious method of research.
Particularly when it says "But under the subject “Queens Hospital,” Wikipedia says Obama was born there." Uh, no.
Queen's Hospital is a new hospital in the London Borough of Havering in London, England. Building work began in June 2003 and finished in October 2006.It also says "Wikipedia Geneology says Queens too." Which leads us to Queen's Medical Center - which, while it's in Honolulu, doesn't make that claim. So it looks like whoever entered that was wrong.
(By the way, that's not Wikipedia. It's a wiki called "Familypedia," administered from here. I don't know anything about them, but let me just point out (from the last link) "Every person can edit content on Wikia."
Yeah, sounds like a trustworthy source to me.
Incidentally, I don't spend a lot of time on DemocraticUnderground, although I have read their Top 10 list every once in a while.
Your fear of "Islamofascists" seems a little overblown. As are your reading skills. Go check out my entry about Teabaggers again. That's fully attributed to a blogger named "Mustang Bobby."
And as for cabinet appointees, yeah, Obama needs to work on that vetting process (especially for Treasury Secretary - "TurboTax"? Really, Timmy?) But a lot of people can't vet worth a crap - look at McCain from last year.
Hey, I'm not Meet the Press where non-answers get a nod. I want to know how you know what hospital he was born in?
"This is important, because so far nobody I've found can identify a written statement or interview or recorded statement wherein Obama, himself, identifies which hospital he was born in? In Dreams Obama said he found his original birth certificate while he was in high school, but has refused to produce it, or even state whether he was born in Queens or Kapi'olani."Even more to the point ... can you honestly tell me that you don't think it's bizarre for this man not to produce that birth certificate and end this? If he could? Be a man! ::
Have I mentioned that your reading skills need work? Here, let me quote myself.
I looked it up. This article says Kapiolani(You know, it's odd. As I researched my answers for you, I noticed something. Every time I put in a search for things like "obama birth certificate," I kept finding one website that had already covered the subject. Stormfront.org Why do you share so many similar interests with them?)
He hasn't stated which hospital he was born in? Well, damn, Rog, he was pretty young at the time. He might not remember.
And more to the point, that wouldn't be enough for you, anyway. If he said which hospital, you'd demand to know what room. And the name of the obstetrician. And the nurses who assisted. You're desperate to prove that Obama can't be president.
Did I mention what a fascinating collection of conspiracy theories you put together up there? Take off the tinfoil hat, Rog. The aliens won't burn out your brain.
As for his birth certificate, he's already produced a copy of his Certificate of Live Birth. But, like I said, that wasn't enough for you. (Oh, by the way, read about that particular urban myth here)
"Before crossing the overpass above the H1 freeway, where traffic zoomed east to body-surfing beaches or west to the airport and Pearl Harbor, he passed Kapiolani Medical Center, walking below the hospital room where he was born on Aug. 4, 1961."
That paragraph from one of the thousand media paeans to this absolute zero of a man is your proof? Come back here when you can "identify a written statement or interview or recorded statement wherein Obama, himself, identifies which hospital he was born in? "
Barry-Boy has spent by some accounts in excess of a million dollars (now worth $150) trying to deflect this issue? Why? If he found his birth certificate, as he said he did, why won't he let SOMEBODY see the damned thing? As for that snopes COLB, (the COLB is not a birth certificate) Puh-leeze! Osama bin Laden would have no more difficulty getting that same meaningless document than he would getting a Maryland driver's license. Damn! ::
And, BTW, I do appreciate you giving me a chance to have this dialogue. It's a position I wouldn't mind being proved wrong about, if only to know that we elected an utterly inexperience, pretty stupid, hard core Marxist that wasn't also an illegal wetback. ::
Here I was just askin' if Obambi had filled out his Selective Service card, and I get called a conspiracy loon.
I wonder ... is there some reason the far left is astroturfing the hell out of any comments that even mention the possibility of Obambi being a wetback, instead of just ignoring them ( you know ... the proper response to real conspiracy loons? )?
:: I get very few program callers on this show, but in the past several months all that I have gotten were in response to this issue. And why not? If they'll subvert elections to tighten their control, what will they do to keep this mushroom cloud from vaporizing them? The answer is anything, including murder if necessary, IMO.
I think TD had it right when she noted, after the election, that this would eventually come down to his admission that -- Hey, that's what I was told. How was I to know I was an Indonesian citizen?
Then the media will then go into full agitprop mode, and pooh-pooh the ridiculous idea of creating a constitutional crisis by throwing him and every thing he did into the trash. Obama will become a citizen-accompli.
Rog: Yeah, the WaPo article was more than a little precious. It reads more like a PR piece than a bio, I thought.
But as far as the law goes, a COLB is exactly the same as a birth certificate. The only people who don't understand that are conspiracy theorists (see below on that subject).
The state of Hawaii is under no obligation to release his physical birth certificate to you just because you're gnashing your teeth and demanding to see it; in fact, they are prevented by law from doing so ("state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest in it").
And before you come back with the standard wingnut answer of "We, the American People, have a vested interest in seeing that document," no you don't. You have a vested interest in proof that Obama was born in Hawaii. Well, a certified copy of the CoLB has been released, which fulfills all legal requirements.
But, due to the furor, the Director of the Department of Health and the Registrar of Vital Statistics both personally verified that they have the birth certificate of Barack Obama. You've gotten your special treatment, but because they will not hand you, personally, the original copy to hold in your grubby hands, you refuse to believe that it exists.
Because you are delusional. Because you are a conspiracy theorist. And because you are a bigot, who can't accept that a black man could be elected president of these United States. That would mean that a Negro holds the highest office in the nation! They might be equal to you! Or (* gasp *) better than you!!!
Why would I use such a nasty perjorative to refer to you in such a rude manner?
Well, I don't know, Rog. Except to say that if you use bigoted statements, then you are, by definition, a bigot. And you're the one who decided to refer to your president (screech and moan all you want to, he's your president) as an "illegal wetback."
Oh, and while we're on that subject:
"utterly inexperience" - 3 terms as state senator; 1 term as US Senator; civil rights attorney and instructor in Constitutional Law (let's contrast that with the fact that you elected a failed oilman who'd served one and a half terms as Governor of Texas, and you thought he was sent by God)
"pretty stupid" - graduate of Columbia University; graduated from Harvard Law School magna cum laude; president of the Harvard Law Review, twice-published author (oh, and he probably would have known to put a "d" on the "inexperienced")
"hard core Marxist" - Do you even know what that word means? Because you on the right spit out "socialist," "Marxist," and (weirdly) lately "fascist" without any knowledge of political science, as far as I can tell.
Examples - y'all were calling Obama a socialist during the election. At that time, George Bush had just sent $750 billion in tax money, no strings attached, to the oil companies; John McCain, while railing against "socialized medicine," has never had private insurance, between Champus and the Senate medical plans; and Sarah Palin was nationalizing the oil company profits and mailing checks to every Alaskan citizen. Meanwhile, Bernie Goldberg publishes Liberal Fascism, where "fascist" is defined as "anything Bernie disagrees with." ______________
jbarret - see above, re: "wetback"
Also, the thing you're ignoring (and the thing that's sending you conspiracy theorists into a lather) is that Obama answered your questions, and now he is ignoring you. Why should he keep going over the same ground over and over?
On the experience issue, I know you can't believe he was experienced. In the nine years his law license was active, he never handled one case. He worked on teams of lawyers, who drew up contracts or briefs or whatever. He accomplished zero as an attorney. When he was in the state senate, it's been pretty widely documented he liked voting 'present', avoiding any controversy, incase it messed with his chances, same with the United States Senate.
Obamas onoly measure he ever sponsored to ever be enacted was a bill to "promote relief, security, and democracy in the Democratic Republic of Congo."
Bush on the other hand, served for six years, passed Texas' largest tax cut ever, and reigned over the highest approval ratings of any Texas Governor to date. You might know this, NC, but being a governor actually requires you to do something. There's nowhere to vote 'present' and there's nobody else to draw up contracts and briefs to you, while you're fighting for 'change' as a do nothing Civil Rights attorney.
I defy you to show me, or Rodge, or anyone here, even one thing Barak Obama accomplished.
OK, from the "deleted" file in my email, I can pull up a list of 69 (heh) bills that Obama wrote or sponsored during his time in the Senate. Which is a hell of a number for a freshman senator. I can paste the whole thing here, but it'll take up an assload of space.
1. -- "But as far as the law goes, a COLB is exactly the same as a birth certificate. The only people who don't understand that are conspiracy theorists (see below on that subject"
Jane, you ignorant slut. It may be good enough to get a driver's license, but is not the same as a birth certificate! A COLB can be issued at any point in time upon submission of an affidavit - which is how the the "Father of Modern China" came to get his Hawaiian COLB.
2-- "The state of Hawaii is under no obligation to release his physical birth certificate to you just because you're ... blah-blah-blah"
I'm asking that somebody, like maybe the same Senate committee that investigated McCain's eligibility, verifies his birth place. As a citizen, if I don't have standing to demand verification of that requirement, than it's a worthless law. And don't go quoting bureaucrats who say they have a birth certificate, especially from any state in the thrall if democrats. The Governor of Illinois said he had no contact with Obama about selling his senate seat too .. . Shall I go on and on ....? All paid democrats are liars.
3. I didn't say Obama was unschooled I said he was stupid, and should have added pathological liar as well. He can't string coherent thoughts together without the aid of a teleprompted script. And the man had ZERO achievements in his life coming into the election. Every opponent he ever ran against was disqualified and removed from the ballot before the election. His admission to Harvard was the result of a political favor sought by a communist mentor. Look it up. His Law Revue legacy is that there is nothing published. There are virtually no public records of anything. His life has been scrubbed. If he isn't actually a Manchurian candidate, everything in his life to date sure indicates it. I don't want anyone like that running my country.
Finally ... calling me a bigot for failing to observe PC? Nice. The club liberals pull when they're losing an argument. You know NC, in this entire discussion you haven't introduced a single new fact, viewpoint or idea that wasn't, or could have been, culled from Moveon.KOSwads a year ago. And yes, I know what a fascist is, you condescending twat. I was willing to sit down at the table with you, but I expect you to cut your own meat. You haven't, so bugger off. ::
My God, Rog, you fall for every unsubstantiated lie to come down the pike, don't you? How frequently do you freep? I'm willing to bet you're an active member, huh?
Of course Obama got into Harvard because some foreign communist/socialist/small grey alien pulled strings for him. I mean, Columbia University is just some small, unaccredited school - I forgot. (You know, his puppetmaster must have forgetten to put a stamp on that tuition check, though, since the Obama's only got out from under the student loans after Barack sold his books.)
(I even got that one off Fox News for you - or are they in the thrall of the Democrats in some Machiavellian way, too?)
Wow! He never published in Harvard? Then how did he become president of the Law Review? A statement which would make sense if that was one of the requirements. "Law reviews, which are edited by students, play a double role at law schools, providing a chance for students to improve their legal research and writing, and at the same time offering judges and scholars a forum for new legal arguments. The Harvard Law Review is generally considered the most widely cited of the student law reviews." (You can read about it here.)
"Every opponent he ever ran against was disqualified and removed from the ballot before the election"? Oh, you mean Gha-Is Askia, described as a "perennially unsuccessful candidate," who acknowledged that the signatures on his petitions were probably forged? Or Alice Palmer, who lost a special election, told Obama she wouldn't run, and then returned to the race at the last minute with petitions that proved to be 2/3 invalid?
Of course, you're conveniently ignoring the candidates who played by the rules and weren't disqualified, like Yesse Yehudah, or Bobby Rush (who, oh yeah, beat Obama in the primaries).
Golly, gee, he used a teleprompter? Like every other president since Nixon? Really? In fact, I heard that he uses a teleprompter during the question and answer session! And so do the reporters!
I also hear he has to use a (get this A PEN in order to put marks on paper! YEAH!! Check it out! Barack HussINK Obama!
Feel free to name me one modern president who didn't use a teleprompter? Christ, Bush used one, and he was so inarticulate that metric tons of books were published on the subject.
And no, I didn't call you a bigot for "failing to observe PC." Here. Let me see if I can explain this in a way you'll understand.
I called you a bigot for saying bigoted things. (I know, "bigoted" has seven letters. Was that too many?) If you don't realize that calling somebody a "wetback" might be construed as a bigoted statement, then I don't see how you make it through the day without a helmet.
I don't use any new arguments? Well, hell, you know: pot, kettle, all that. I'm using publically available knowledge to rebut your ignorant urban myths. What do you want me to do? Call Obama at his new home and ask him? (I can do that, you know. All us lefties are part of the big plot.)
Everything Below is documented by recorded interview, public documents, or the US Code. Live with it.
Barack Obama has had a complicated childhood it would seem and claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961. That’s all we know for certain. He hasn’t revealed in which hospital he claims to have been born.
Obama’s grandmother on his father’s side, his half-brother and half-sister all claim Obama was born not in Hawaii but in Kenya. Reports reflect that Obama’s mother traveled to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy (which, apparently, was a normal restriction, to avoid births during a flight). By these reports, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew home and registered Obama’s birth. There are records of a “registry of birth” for Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public records office in Hawaii.
That four days makes him Kenyan .... Unless, of course, his 18 year old mother conferred US citizenship on her newborn son because she was a US Citizen. That doesn’t work out, though, because she would have to be a US Citizen for five years after her 14th birthday. She would have had to have been at least 19 years of age for Obama to obtain “natural born” US Citizenship through his birthmother. So he’s back to being a Kenyan.His mom divorced Obama’s Kenyan father, and, when Obama was about six years old, she married an Indonesian man and moved to Indonesia with her son. If Obama had by some means stolen second base and become a “natural born” US Citizen, he was out at third base when his mom became an Indonesian citizen and he was recognized as Indonesian.About four years later his mom left Indonesia with Obama to return to Hawaii. She could have resumed her US Citizenship upon application and an Oath of Allegiance. At eighteen, Obama could have at least obtained a naturalized citizenship the same way. There is no evidence that either his mother or Obama became US Citizens. At 20, Obama traveled to Pakistan using his Indonesian passport.
Obama was Indonesian in 1981. ******* Your time is up. ::