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Saturday, June 13, 2009
When did we stop being a Judeo-Christian nation?
6 comments:
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Anonymous said...
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Dyn-o-mite! By damn he drove that nail home! Firetruck you, Uhbama you flap-jawed, jug-eared, lying marxist, muslim, kenyan illegal immigrant.
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6/13/09, 8:30 PM
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Grumpyunk said...
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Wow! That was great. Thanks, Roger.
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6/13/09, 11:53 PM
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Anonymous said...
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Funny but the Constitution (you know, the document that defines exactly what US is) includes exactly two references to religion, both negative. [There is actually a third - there are two versions of the Presidential Oath of Office - in one the incoming POTUS "swears", in the other he "affirms" (i.e., completely non-religious). Further the highest power that document looks to is the people "We the People ...". [This character's comment re the date is simple - that was the accepted way of stating dates at the time.]
Fast forward to the Treaty of Tripoli (which was only a few years later) - that document specifically says that "The US is not a Christian nation." It was unanimously ratified by Congress (only the third time that had happened to that point in time) and there was no debate. Further that document was published in its entirety in the papers of the day and there was no comment from the public.
Individual Presidents are welcome to their faith but that doesn't mean that their beliefs are the beliefs of the country (as distinct from a majority of the citizens).
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6/14/09, 8:55 AM
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Rodger the Real King of France said...
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Here's a scholarly examination of your Treaty argument, which I find strikingly similar to the the Obama "Birth Certification" document v. "Birth Certificate." That is to say, believing what you want to believe, critical thinking be damned.
Yo Ho Ho and a Bottle of Flub?
Skipping to the last point -
"5. Those who cite the Treaty of Tripoli as evidence that this nation was not founded on the Christian religion, usually ignore the Treaty of Paris of 1783. This Treaty, negotiated by Ben Franklin and John Adams among others, is truly a foundational document for the United States, because by this Treaty Britain recognized the independence of the United States. The Treaty begins with the words, "In the Name of the most holy and undivided Trinity... ," and there is no dispute about its validity or its wording. "
Okay? Did you read The Evolutionary Function of Religion ? It might make you less hostile to the idea that some people, God forbid, believe in God. :)
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6/14/09, 11:10 AM
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Kristopher said...
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Rodge: The US is a nation with an awful lot of Christians in it.
The anti-federalists ( led by the deist Thomas Jefferson ) put the first amendment in the BoR for good reason. ( careful about using Franklin as a role model ... he was one of the founding members of Europe's Hellfire Club ).
When you call this a "Christian Nation" ... who decides what "Christian" is?
The majority? The Catholics? Snake Handlers? Jehova's Witnesses?
Do we have to vote on who's liturgy gets used this year?
Bad plan there ...
The United States is supposed to be Secular ... and not anti-religious ... once in a while, more militant atheists ( and their pet judges ) need to be slapped and forced to read the actual words in the first amendment. -
6/14/09, 1:39 PM
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Rodger the Real King of France said...
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You seem to have slipped into another plane of thought, but I know what you're saying. It's just that I've plowed that field so many times, that I just don't have the oomph left for another go. I need a cheese sammich.
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6/14/09, 2:37 PM
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