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I was considering a front-loader for my next washer. Thanks for the course correction Rodger........
I just need to find someone with parts to keep my 20 year old top loader working. I understand that the new top loaders use less water. Which ones will actually clean clothes? mary
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My folks had a front loader Bendix [don't see that name much any more]. It was bolted to the floor in the basement. I think my dad made a pad of concrete with embedded bolts. When that thing went into spin mode, you could see that it wanted to GO someplace.
Of course they also had 12 kids and the detergent and water bill difference added up quick.
Too bad the Goracle and goat-boy mandate make you so mad you avoid a good product.
I have one that I bought at the Monkey Wards outlet store in Oakland in 1978. It uses half the water and half the detergent and gets the clothes cleaner. It is also gentler on cottons and such. It spins enough that the dryer doesn't have as much work to do.
Try telling that to your wife who doesn't like harvest gold. "It doesn't match". I painted it to match and told her the next time the top loader breaks, out it goes.
Most top loaders use a 'transmission' that was designed in the first half of the last century.
Top loaders do not clean as well, but are cheap to make. Almost any front loader will do better than the best top loader.
tomw
My european exchange student kids have front loaders. The machines have no agitator trans to wear out, and in place of an agitator, use bumps and undulations in the wall of the drum to massage the clothes. The drum turns for a minute or so, then pauses, turns, pauses, etc. I found that it cleans clothes better without flogging them to death. That's the upside. The downside is that a wash cycle may be ~2 hours instead of 15 minutes. Don't know about water savings, but I did notice that the clothes were much less wet when removed than with my top loader here at home.
mary - since the all-wise gubbmint mandated phosphate removal from laundry soaps, it's difficult to get clothes clean. I found it helps to use a pre wash spot spray for oily spots, use a little oxygen bleach (not chlorine bleach!), start the wash cycle until the clothes and chemicals are well mixed, then stop the wash cycle and let the clothes soak for an hour or two. This works for me in my twenty year-old top loading cement mixer....ahhh top loading washer.
New front loaders may be superior to top loaders for quality of wash and water use, but I resent the hell out of the Bubba or any other Fed mandating anything we do in our ordinary day at home. If I want to wash with a post hole auger in a 55 gallon drum, that's my business, not the Federales.
And another thing - the !^$&#($& designers put undulating curves on the top of these machines, so where do you pile the clothes before/after the wash? Are they trying to make them curvy like a woman so men will buy them? Idiots. Real men love flat-tops in their world in certain applications - hair, ships, washers and dryers.
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My appliance tech told me the main benefit of a front loader is, besides doing bending exercises, the drum spins at a higher speed therefore the clothes enter the dryer with less water, hence a shorter drying time.
Marc M
Front loaders are a piece of crap. They DO NOT get clothes cleaner. That little tumble action bullshit will NOT clean a kid's clothes worth a damn.
The transmissions are NOT the same as they were twenty years ago, they are direct drive with state of the art variable frequency drive motors that eliminate the transmission. And as far as wear and tear on the clothes goes, it's not the washer that wears out your clothing, it's the high temperature in your clothes dryer that does that. What do you think LINT is? It's your clothes after a drying cycle.
Practical aspect: Try adding clothes after the cycle has begun to a front loader. Have fun moping up the soapy water when the front loaders seals give it up. What are you going to do when the machine breaks with a full load of clothes and water still inside?
The only advantage to a front loader I can see that means anything in the real world is water extraction. Balance is easier to achieve and they will spin faster. Though women will not find the vibration of the front loading machine nearly as beneficial as the old tried and true top loader. Now you know.
Gore sucks.
That guy who runs Appliance Direct! in Orlando could tell you which is the best one to buy.
"2 hours" ?!?!?!? Are they insane???!?!? Do I look like I have that kind of time??!?!?
Or enough energy to bend over like that?!?!?! WTH is this -- gubbmint-enforced calisthenics?!?
[and how does "2 hours" use less 'lektricity?]
dang gampigs.
e~C
Oh e-C, you perked me right up.
Getting clothes clean is about getting the detergent/water mix correct and allowing time for the detergent to work. Less detergent more time, more detergent less time.
Been cleaning dirty diapers by hand now for 4 months, he's such a good boy! :) and I would say I've gotten pretty good at it. Just spray off the solids, put them in a bucket of water and add detergent. A couple stirs and let it sit for an hour and they are clean.
Then there's the "smelly washer" problem ith the "high efficiency" frontloaders - see http://www.smellywasher.com/press
Why should I go out and buy a new and very very expensive front loader when my top loader is working very well, thank you very much! I know what the Yale degree means - B.S. indeed!
Thanks Lt. Col. Gen. Tailgunner dick, and everyone else for the info. FYI, we are able here in TX to buy imported Mexican detergent which still has (Shhh)more phosphate. Makes a nice head of foam! I dread when my old Top loader quits. mary
Got no problems with front loaders - they do the job, and (very important with a well that could get very low in the summer) they used a lot less water. Clothes do come out dryer, so we use less power drying them.
HOWEVER, it is NOT the business of government to make everyone buy one! Isn't that the basic problem - gov't looks at an idea and says "What a great idea - let's force people to do it!" and then, where people formerly had a choice, there is no choice.
alanstorm - Amen! 'zakly what I was trying to say in too many words.
And I've never had 'smelly washer' in the 20 years we've had our top loader. Our city is on a river, and what water we don't use goes to the sea, so it stays cheap. Given current costs here, before I'll spend $1,000 or more and need chemical and biological engineers to supervise my laundry, I'll rebuild my cement mixer, thanks very much.
Lt. Col. Gen. Tailgunner dick
Yes, they use less water, 'cause the drums are smaller. That means several smaller loads instead of one or two big ones.
Try washing a king-sized bedspread in one of those little things. That's about all you can get into it at one time. You wind up doing more loads, which actually uses more total water than the top loader.
Cracker Barrel Philosopher, That link was a real eye opener!
ozaoB
You're right Anon 11:18..... It's like those g*ddamned baby size toilets the gov't forced on us....If you want to keep them from plugging up, you soon learn to flush them twice to make sure they're clear, thereby wasting water...You still end up plunging them a hell of a lot more than the old bigboys....Then there the topic of simple comfort....Don't get me started.