Wednesday, January 26, 2011

Js

J's 20,22,35
  Recently DefenseTech ran a piece about the Chinese J-20 “stealth” fighter that points out it may be less troublesome than the initial hype suggested. I put “stealth” in scare quotes for just that reason; we have no idea whether this is a legitimate stealth aircraft or just some fancy sheet metal and paint. We have no clue if they have managed to engineer the sensors and electronic systems needed to fly it or to allow it to go up against our frontline birds.

But that really shouldn’t be giving us a warm fuzzy.

Giving Chase

This is more or less a follow-up to my Jan. 6th post The aircraft is comparable to the U.S. F-22 and would be China’s first stealth plane. Some in the comments had similar doubts about China's J-20 program.  Still, I can't get rid of the unsettled feeling I've had since the F-22 was scrapped, and an irrational fear of placing our marbles in the JSF.   Especially in light of the trillions Obama has squandered in the meanwhile.  
The F-22 program has been cancelled and so we have already removed the only true air superiority fighter we designed from the equation. That leaves the F-35 as our frontline fighter and also our biggest weapons procurement program. We will win or lose based on the number and capability of these planes if we are tested. Of course we hope that doesn’t happen, but we have to build the tools we need to win especially to deter someone from trying us if we appear weak.

There are no other programs that can replace the F-35 any time in the next couple of decades. The problem starts when cuts to production start driving up the cost of each aircraft. [J-20 Shows Need for JSF continued]

If I had Bill Gates's money, I'd buy Haiti and build my own Air Force stocked with F-22's and Airborne Laser planes.  I'd hire retiring AF pilots to fly them.  To protect the Republic.

17 comments:

Anonymous said...

This Joint Strike Fighter, JSF, mentality is what got us the F-111 POS. I don't think the Navy ever used it.

Putting all of one's eggs in one basket was never a good plan.

JLW III

Anonymous said...

Yes Roger, but you're a patriot, and Bill Gates went to Harvard.

Casca

Anonymous said...

F-35, the jack of all trades, master of none, is a clusterfuck political sop to our euro "allies". Behind schedule, over cost, undercapable. People in the program have told me that the F-22 kicks f-35 ass every time in air to air, F-18 and A-10 are more CAS capable, have better range, load and loiter. VSTOL simply doesn't work yet, and for that we have Harrier in service. Have I missed anything?
Lt. Col. Gen. Tailgunner dick

Chuck Martel said...

There's that pesky Neutrality Act of 1794 et seq. Don't forget what Cornelius Vanderbilt and the U.S. Government did to William Walker when he tried something like that in Central America. The Feds don't like the competition.

DaveInFla said...

Ex C-141 Flight Engineer here.. your gonna need transport planes.... I believe all the C-141s are sitting in the sun at Davis Monthon.. I am sure we could send a team out there to reclaim a few.

Anonymous said...

You guys know that it won't be long until remotely piloted vehicles will greatly exceed the g-limit of the human pilot. When that happens, any plane with a human on board looses. That may be a huge factor in the decision to back off the JSF program. I'm told entire classes of trained F-16 pilots are herded into RPV's now and will probably never fly a plane again. -Anymouse

Rodger the Real King of France said...

And of course, we already have flying saucers at Area 51. I mean that.

TimO said...

"...won't be long until remotely piloted vehicles will greatly exceed the g-limit of the human pilot."

Off-the-shelf R/C models already do 40+ G's measured.
Leave it to your imagination as to what the govt spook stuff can probably do, but the stories of 'UFO's doing right-angle turns should give you the idea...

Anonymous said...

I believe that the F-35 Program was put on hold, by the one, because of cost over runs.

DE644

Kristophr said...

RPV fighters are not the future.

RPVs only work on enemies too primitive to figure out how to jam their control signals.

Great fro keeping the wogs' heads down, but against a serious opponent, they will lose.

Hell_Is_Like_Newark said...

When I hear that they want the F-35 to replace the A-10 I roll my eyes. No way the F-35 is going to the have the advantages of an A-10.. a flying, heavily armored piece of artillery with wings.

Think back to the beginning of WWII, when we faced a well trained air force with better equipment. We sent Brewster Buffalos, underpowered Wildcats, P-40's without superchargers against the Zero and Oscar. Disposable aircraft with disposable pilots. Sending men against the IJN with the Devastator Torpedo bomber was an act that was almost criminal. The only thing the plane was devastating on were the men who flew it.

The F-35 will be the Brewster Buffalo of the 21st Century. Pray to whatever God you believe in that the USA can bounce back (again).

Anonymous said...

May I suggest reading "BOYD, THE FIGHTER PILOT WHO CHANGED THE ART OF WAR" by Robert Coram. A detailed, behind-the-scenes account of a mid-level air force officer who basically wrote the performance spec on the F-16, and, to a lesser degree, the F-15.
During his briefings for the upper brass, he LOVED showing the performance graphs of the F-111 and how it was a DOG in the skies.

Anonymous said...

"F-22 kicks f-35 ass every time"

Of course it does. The F-22 is optimized to air-to-air; the F-35 is a multi-role aircraft. It was never intended to go head-to-head with an F-22. The F-22 provides top cover while the F-35 goes in and makes some rubble. They're complementary.

As for RPVs: I keep hearing about the possibility of a "Pearl Harbor in cyberspace," while the Chinese recently demonstrated they can shoot down a satellite, so the answer for the Air Force is to.... buy more on RPVs that rely on cyberspace routed through satellites? If either of these comes to pass, what's Plan B for US airpower?

And also, we're going to rely more and more on automation, built with computer chips made.... where, exactly? Overseas somewhere, in the Far East? Well, OK!

Anonymous said...

"JSF mentality"

The ghost legacy of Robert McNamara.

Anonymous said...

Per Robert Heinlein, "There are no dangerous weapons, only dangerous weapons."

Technology is definitely a force multiplier. However, its always bothered me how dependent we've become upon hi-tech stuff.

Wars are still won by the poor damn rifleman who occupies ground and kills the enemy face-to-face. Everyone else is either combat support or service support.

Brigadier Major Mike

Anonymous said...

I'm an idiot.

Quote shouild read, "There are no dangerous weapons, only dangerous men."

The fine motor skills required for typing disappear with advanced age.

Brigadier Major Mike

Anonymous said...

Read:
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7&plckPostId=Blog%3A27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3A0232ae38-bb7a-4edc-a1a1-efbd8f3648d4&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest

Did Shot-Down F-117 Aid J-20 Development?

wtf do I know?, I was in the navy...
tomw

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