Monday, March 14, 2011

Chernobyl sounds scary

Three Mile Island and Chernobyl
sounds scary, right?
We're Toast! We're Toast!

There is no question that the events in Japan are ongoing and serious. That said, I believe a lot of people are being misled by much of the news coverage.  Take a look at these headlines from the Christian Science Monitor and from Channel News Asia -

US experts fear 'Chernobyl-like' crisis for Japan

“Three Mile Island” and “Chernobyl” sounds scary, right?
Nuked
Let me ask a couple of questions?  How many were killed by the Three Mile Island incident?

100?

10,000?

100,000?

Answer here
via Nuclear power perspective. by James Watts

Some of the comments :

Compare those figures with the deaths from renewables. in one incident alone over 170,000 died in China when the Banqiao hydroelectric dam failed. Greenpeace et al never ever mention this of course.

UNSCEAR says 4,000 deaths attributable to Chernobyl whereas Greenpeace says 100,000 (but they would, wouldn't they?)

...  it looks like the Japanese reactor now has no secondary containment (and it was not a secondary concrete pressure vessel as at TMI) but as in the UK, a simple corrugated iron building on a steel frame.
 
...Sondrakistan


11 comments:

Anonymous said...

I live in Washington too. Hanford, birthplace of the atom bomb, is only a hop skip and a job away. Everytime I see the signs, I hear "proud to be an American".

But don't knock Hydro. That's my bread and butter out here :-p.

TheOldMan said...

Instead of sex ed for cucumbers and self-esteem classes, I would require one year of basic engineering, statistics, economics, and physics for all HS students. These courses must be passed with at least a B+ in order to be allowed to vote anytime in the future. As dictator I would set the curriculum and test questions.

Anonymous said...

The fact that so few died in Chernobyl is in part due to the bravery and sacrifice of one man. -Anymouse

http://articles.latimes.com/1990-07-04/news/mn-106_1_helicopter-pilot

Kevin said...

The fact that the worst fear-mongering in the MSM appears to be attributed to unnamed so-called "experts" makes me believe that these experts are the same shills they use for oil spill prognostication, global worming warnings, and Sarah Palin related political forecasting.

Kristophr said...

Yep. All of the first responders, and a lot of the paid clean-up folks ate almost all the casualties. The firemen on the ground putting out the fires could actually feel the radiation hitting them like some kind of invisible light rain.

Then look up "bio-robot".

How much would it cost to pay YOU to voluntarily get in a rad suit, run out on top of an exploded reactor, and spend 30 seconds throwing broken chunks of live fuel rod into a glowing and burning pit?

Times were hard enough in Russia that they found takers for surprising little cash. Every one involved knew it would be a one way trip.

Anonymous said...

These reactors were all put online in the early 70's and were scheduled for decommissioning and one in fact was granted a 10 year extension of that date.

Folks, this disaster, while bad, is still a worst case. To have a 9.0 quake and tsunami hit is the absolute worst thing that could have happened. Everything is life has risk and to negate ALL risk is impossible - we must use our God-given brain to mitigate risk and do the best we can with the resources we have. We have fissile material and we should use it for peaceful purposes - ie electricity.

Anonymous said...

4:11 cont'd

Experts are now saying the reactors in place - boiling water of this type are "not quality products" and have not been licensed here since 1972. If I were in Japan, I would be insisting the reactors of this type are taken off grid as soon as practicable and replaced. Of course, this is going to be expensive but, we need nuclear power desperately and given the obummer admin reticence to drill for oil, our only alternative. Solar is a joke, wind is full of hot air - there is nothing else - be real - NOTHING ELSE.

Bolivar

Jess said...

I'm thinking the Green minions should line up, put on their suits and march into the reactor to clean up the mess. They should help the Earth heal from this terrible wound. Think of the children that will be saved.

Anonymous said...

Fewer people died at Three Mile Island than died at Chappaquidick!

Anonymous said...

Three Mile Island was pretty much a non-event especially when compare to, say, a liquid propane vessel exploding in a harbor.

Chernobyl, a Russian designed and ran nuclear power plant, was a horse of a different color, not necessarily measured in lives lost but in land contaminated. And we just might be at intermission wrt Chernobyl. There is a huge slab of concrete which was blown askew and is now perched over the melted reactor. If it falls, there is a huge potential for a radioactive dust cloud giving us spectacular sunset for a generation.

Radioactive materials are native to Earth. If they kill me, I will take solace in dying a natural death. I prefer that to freezing my ass off in the dark.

Laurence

Anonymous said...

SondraK's pic of put out by the Aussies is supposed to be false. Before the schumer hits the fan, I look first to James Wesley, Rawles and his Survivalblog.com for guidance. He was a great resource of what is real and isn't and where to look for the next step. It is after looking at drudge that seeing that 3 reactors were going to cook off and remembering this picture I headed off to SB and he had this to say:

"Notes from JWR:I've been deluged with questions from readers--especially in Alaska and Hawaii, about the risk of radioactive fallout from Japan. First, I must mention that the trans-Pacific fallout map purported to be from Australian authorities now circulating is a fraud. I don't think it is likely that any significant radiation would make it to Hawaii, Alaska or the west coast of CONUS, even if there are multiple melt-downs in Japan. But as I've written previously, keep your potassium iodate or iodide handy, buy some dehydrated milk, and keep close track of radiation levels. "

http://www.survivalblog.com/2011/03/notes_from_jwr4.html

Also, the Rads should be a lot less after 10 days.

"Radioactive fallout from a nuclear explosion, though very dangerous initially, loses its intensity quickly because it is giving off so much energy. For example, fallout emitting gamma ray radiation at a rate over 1000 R/hr (fatal with half hour of exposure) shortly after an explosion, weakens to only 1/10th as strong 7 hours later. Two days later, it's only 1/100th as strong, or as deadly, as it was initially. And, two weeks later, it is only 1/1000th as strong as it was initially. (However, radioactive fallout from sources other than a nuclear explosion, such as conventionally bombed nuclear plants or nuclear processing facilities in Iran, will likely have a higher percentage of isotopes of longer lasting duration, but fortunately likely not get into the upper winds to travel as far, compared to if a nuke was used on them in Iran.)"

http://www.ki4u.com/illwind.htm

So for example, 1000 RADS at hour +1 => 480 RADS @ hour+2 => 100 RADS @ hour +7 => 43 RADS @ +14 hours => 10 RADS @ 48 hours so 3000 should be in negligible by 10 days. Actually it should take about 3 days to get here, not 10. If the Chinese nuke test of 1955 is any indicator, but of course it really depends on if it blows up like it did at Chernobyl or if it kinda wimpers like it did at 3 Mile Island. Big, we will feel it, small we won't notice. Big, jet stream, small it will be nothing by the time it gets here. But if it is big, then iodine will be impossible to get and even now it is really hard to come by and the thing hasn't cooked off (kinda) yet. I mean kinda in that it has but it more like regular explosions rather than meltdown cook off. Same link (ill wind) talks about all of this.

thoR~
III

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