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Wednesday, July 13, 2011
15 comments:
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I-RIGHT-I said...
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Cop friends tell me this happens all the time at the range, to cops. Loss of concentration and purpose and a little playing to the crowd. I bet that hurt.
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7/13/11, 8:24 PM
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Anonymous said...
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mini3o
Why did he lay the gun down. In a real firefight whould he give up just because he was shot in the leg? Not an orgional thought. Anonymous -
7/13/11, 8:49 PM
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Anonymous said...
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Kinda feels like when a firecracker goes off in your hand ! BEEN THERE , DONE THAT ! smibsid 8 0 >
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7/13/11, 9:31 PM
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DJMoore said...
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"Why did he lay his gun down?"
Note he put the safety on first, and carefully laid the gun down. (Rather than, say, throwing it, which many people have done in the heat of the moment.)
Why? Because that's the recommended thing to do after an ND.
There's a risk of having another ND in the stress of the moment, so you don't want to reholster. (Some ranges say, lay it on a bench, but he'd've had a long way to stumble with a gun in his hand. I think putting it on the ground, right there, was the best thing under the circumstances.)
And when EMS comes, or particularly the cops, you do not want to have the gun within reach. Far too easy for the call to morph from "I shot myself" to "He shot somebody."
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This is Tex Grebner, who very bravely posted an extended video on Youtube in which he accepts full responsibility for the ND, but analyzes exactly what led to it.
He'd been using a different holster earlier in the day with a thumb operated retention latch where the safety was on this gun.
This is a SERPA holster, with the retention latch operated by the pointer finger. Used properly, your finger lays along the barrel as you draw.
But his finger crooked on the draw, possibly due to his gripping the gun tighter when the release didn't function as his hands expected, and BANG.
The SERPA apparently has a reputation for this problem. Many instructors, ranges, and PDs have banned it for that reason.
So the main fault here was failing to train properly with a problematic holster, plus using two holsters with two different retention mechanisms in sequence, causing a muscle memory glitch. (As many have said, "Pick one rig, and one gun, and don't practice with anything else.")
After the ND, he kept his cool, laid the gun down, called his parents and 911, and had the bleeding stopped by the time EMS arrived.
He's gotten a lot of flack for proving that guns are evil, that all gun owners are stupid, or that all gun owners are fat showoffs with stupid hats. (Hence me thinking him brave for subjecting himself to that.)
He gets huge props from me (and many others) for posting the video, confessing his error, accepting responsibility for it, and explaining what happened in the hopes that others will avoid it.
I think this is in the spirit of airplane pilots discussing their mistakes in public.
Youtube link here. -
7/13/11, 9:56 PM
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Kristophr said...
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Yep. A lot of antis and trolls are posting the segment of that video without his afterword.
Typical.
Be sure to intersperse your message inside the video, to prevent people with an agenda from playing games. An be sure to enforce copyright. -
7/14/11, 12:54 AM
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Anonymous said...
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I like my Serpa, it doesn't fall out. how ever after seeing this I think I am going to get rid of it.
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7/14/11, 1:30 AM
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lip said...
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In Mass, that would cost him his LTC, and weapons.
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7/14/11, 5:28 AM
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Anonymous said...
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Anyone who has worked with live ammo has stories to tell about dumb shit they've done. I won't tell you about the live fire assault of a fortified position the day I was humping the M60. It is why we practice.
Casca -
7/14/11, 6:22 AM
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Jess said...
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We lost a local officer a few years ago during a night fire excercise. The round tore his femoral artery and the blood loss was too much.
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7/14/11, 7:17 AM
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Mile 66 said...
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ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot. (That is, at least until after your front sight is covering the target). Even at extremely close distances like in that case (especially in that case), trigger finger discipline must be maintained. Not after obtaining sight alignment and sight picture, at least, not in this case. In this scenario you should be shooting as soon as the barrel is aligned with the target, as the hand goes up and forward, even if you are trying to go backwards, as you should in a real gunfight, as you try to create/maintain a reactionary gap.
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7/14/11, 9:37 AM
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DJMoore said...
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I realize this isn't a gun blog, and Roger, if we're getting too serious here, let me know and I'll shut up, but this video is exposing some interesting fault lines.
lip: "In Mass, that would cost him his LTC, and weapons."
That's right, folks, in MA the "right" to arms is only granted to the perfect. I'm more than a little distressed at the number of self-styled pro-gun folk on YouTube and elsewhere who seem to be in agreement with MA; I don't think they realize how badly they're playing into the grabbers' hands.
Mile66: "ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot."
And here's the splinter under my fingernail.
"Booger Hook/Bang Switch": The Mantra of DOOM.
BHBS. Yes, of course. Understood.
Thing is, I think that's become a cliche that's keeping us from examining exactly how Tex's finger came to be on his trigger prematurely.
I bet anything that every time he checked, his finger was right where it needed to be, laid along the slide.
The problem is where it went in the split second of his draw, when he was paying attention to other things.
This is a flaw in his training that I expect many of us share, and don't know it, which is, as Tex learned, painfully dangerous.
Exposing the Mantra of Doom for the blindfold it is, is perhaps the most useful lesson of the video. -
7/14/11, 11:11 AM
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lip said...
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I never said I agreed, just stated the end of that's citizens rights. Mass blows when it comes to 2a rights. What was once the cradle of democracy is it's deathbed.
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7/14/11, 6:24 PM
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djmoore said...
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Sorry, lip, I tried not to implicate you by pointing to "Youtube and elsewhere", I should have been clearer.
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7/14/11, 11:36 PM
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lip said...
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Np
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7/14/11, 11:59 PM
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azlibertarian said...
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A number of years ago, a colleague told me a story about being at the range when the guy two benches over (who had been trying out some reloads he'd been working up) had his bolt action rifle blow up, and the bolt came back and impaled itself into his cheek.
When I heard this story, I decided I'd threw an old Vietnam-era bandage/compress into my range bag. It doesn't have to be a ND, or somebody goofing around to have someone end up hurt. You just never know. -
7/15/11, 10:16 AM
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