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Sunday, January 22, 2012
On the other hand ...
23 comments:
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Anonymous said...
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Glen Beck is a Mormon. Need I say more?
Casca -
1/22/12, 1:04 PM
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Alear said...
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Yes, friend Casca, you need say more. Your implication taken reductio ad absurdum would mean that as a Catholic I can't call Jack Kennedy a scoundrel, or consider the actions of my church 1933-1945 less than glorious.
PS I just learned that Pope Pius XII did put this out:
"Anyone who voted for a Communist candidate in the 1948 elections was threatened with automatic excommunication."
So, he's got that going for him. -
1/22/12, 1:27 PM
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Revernd Idaho Spud said...
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Glenn Beck is an Idiot. I watched him for a while and he did contribute to our collective awareness. But his ADHD turned into self absorption and he went over the edge. Nothing he has to say is relevant at this point. Buy food, stock up, hunker down, do good, cry, weep, sob like a prepubecence girl, talk, ramble and pontificate in circles as to "dazzle" with bullshit. He was over the top with Palin as a guest but now the Palins have endorsed Newt. So where does that leave Beck? Caught in the middle of himself, that's where!
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1/22/12, 2:06 PM
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Anonymous said...
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Casca, does that mean Beck's in the bag for hairy Reid too? You know how how those Mormons stick together...
BTW, I'm not for Newt or Romney or Paul. I am against Pres 0.
RAK -
1/22/12, 2:07 PM
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Anonymous said...
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Beck is correct. The Toad is scarier than Barack. A hollow man. (though he looks anything but)
You gotta love the hypocrisy of Rush and the dittohead tea partyers. Remember "character matters?"
At least Glenn Beck, for all his god bothering food hoarding psychosis, can see the blackness that is in Newt.
Learn to love Jay Z.
Bobby Ahr -
1/22/12, 2:42 PM
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Anonymous said...
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This is the same Glenn Beck who said he'd vote for a Ron Paul run in a 3rd party. Yeah, just what we need Glenn, another 4 years of this nightmare. Eff him.
Newt's a progressive? Cripes, what a load. He sure wasn't my first choice, she's not running. But just like her, he takes it right to the left dominated media.
If you don't think that's important, than you're headed for a McCain redo with Romney.
Right now, this moment is when we could use a firebrand. I am so GD sick of being told how stupid I am, how selfish. You're going to tell me that Mitt or Santorum have got the coconuts to stand up to REgressives and their accomplices in the media??
Get real.
MM -
1/22/12, 3:29 PM
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Anonymous said...
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Pope Pius XII...he was a Catholic too, wasn't he?
Cuzzin' Rick -
1/22/12, 3:33 PM
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Snackeater said...
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Newt has said some liberal-sounding things; Romney talks like a conservative. But when given a chance to govern, Newt governed as a conservative, Romney as a liberal. Actions speak louder than words.
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1/22/12, 4:26 PM
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Chris in NC said...
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MM: Yes, Santorum does and will.
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1/22/12, 5:39 PM
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Skoonj said...
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Alear, odd that you mentioned what Pope Pius did, regarding excommunication. The following year,1949, I was born, and have a VERY early memory of going into the Catholic Church we were members of. Well, Catholics who married Jews were automatically excommunicated. My mother, a lifelong Catholic, married my father, who had been a Jew. She was excommunicated, and never returned. Instead, we became Episcopals.
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1/22/12, 6:42 PM
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wmprof said...
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Based his cojones, Newt has my vote. I will overlook all his other failings just to see SOMEONE stand up and say no more obfuscation for the Obamessiah!
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1/22/12, 6:48 PM
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Alear said...
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Skoonj,
With respect, I enjoy your comments on C&S.
I'm calling bullshit.
Excommunication is a massive huge big deal in the Catholic Church. Please document this, marrying outside the church Jew or Mohammedan or otherwise, gets one kicked out, circa 1952. This is modern era, not the Inquisition. Your Mom may have been excommunicated, but not for that. Ask her again why.
Now, you say your father "who had been a Jew". There is no ex-Jew, it comes down from the mother. The Hebrews have no excommunication.
So, you "became Episcopal", sounds like you fell out of bed one day and Wheee here's a religion that doesn't expect squat of us. In this political season, that's like saying you "became Independent". -
1/22/12, 7:15 PM
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Skoonj said...
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Alear, it was 1949. In New York City. I was less than a year old. I know what a Jew is, and I am half Jewish. I can't ask anyone, as both my parents are dead. My father never said she was wrong when she told me what happened. She said it was automatic excommunication. Are you calling her a liar?
Was it Pope Pius XII? Was it New York's cardinal? I don't know. We had been going to Immaculate Conception RC Church, and then moved to St. George's Episcopal Church. Both my parents were very angry over it. -
1/22/12, 7:38 PM
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Kristophr said...
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I have a small suggestion: Support the candidate you want to see nominated. If he doesn't win it, do your duty as a Republican, and support the nominee.
Media-whores should have no say in this, and should be bitchslapped when they intrude.
The MSM want to see Mittens get the nomination, as he is an east-coast Republican who has lost to McCain in the past. They will attach all other Republican candidates unmercifully.
They will only dig up dirt on him if he wins the nomination. Bet on that. -
1/22/12, 8:25 PM
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Jinglebob said...
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As I understand it, God does not put you away from him, you put yourself there. He does not condemn you to Hell, you choose it. I'd say ex communication would be the same. they do not excommunicate you, you do it to yourself. If your mother married out of the faith, the Church would not see it as a sanctioned marriage. Hence, she and your father would not be sharing Holy Matrimony, but just sleeping together, which would be considered a sin. And if she went to confession and confessed that, after so many times, the priest would likey tll her she was not in grace and so should not take communion. Just thinking here. My son is a priest. Be interesting to get his opinion.
Always amazes me all those who despise and put down the Catholic faith, who never think to ask a priest about their questions. Kind of like hating Mormons, because someone told you something about them, who was not a Mormon, with out actually asking a Mormon about it. People are strange..... -
1/22/12, 8:35 PM
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Skoonj said...
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Jinglebob, have I said I despised the Catholic faith? Have I put down the Catholic Church? No. I simply reported the fact that my mother was excommunicated in 1949. I mentioned it only because Alear mentioned that Pope Pius XII issued an excommunication order in the same time frame, 1948, this one concerning voting for communists.
In fact, I graduated from St. John's University. My daughter went to Catholic schools for years. While there, I mentioned the excommunication to priests, and they assured me that it was no longer done for that reason, but it happened in an era when the Church did some things that in retrospect it shouldn't have. In any event, I was certainly welcome there.
As for myself, I think it's pretty funny that my mother was excommunicated. -
1/22/12, 9:43 PM
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Anonymous said...
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I don't recall mentioning Catholics. The point here is that Beck is lending aid to Romney, and one must ask why. They both belong to a religion, that is in fact a bizarre cult.
Casca -
1/22/12, 11:32 PM
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Anonymous said...
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I am pretty sure that marrying outside the Church is not reason for excommunication, though some priests have a tendency to exaggerate things to enhance their arguments...
My mother was Catholic, my father a Presby. They were married by a priest in 1942, at the UW chapel. IIRC, he had to sign papers that us kids would be baptized, etc.
She raised all dozen of us in the Catholic faith. My father was buried from the local Catholic church, so they didn't hold any grudge for him still being a Presbyterian.
Back when, it was fashionable in some Northeastern States to be Episcopal, but not Catholic. Anti-papery leftover? I don't know, but knew of several who converted to the Episcopal faith.
I just hope and pray that whoever the R nominee is, they severely beat and chasten the current WH resident. Sorry to say, Romney didn't seem to get people charged up, and barely broke the 25% vote level. Newt gets people charged up, and appears willing to take Obama one mano-a-mano, and hopefully, shame him.
*I* think it will be interesting, especially as Newt doesn't seem to have any real organization set up for the next primaries. Seems he planned on running a campaign without the paid staff and professional 'advisors'.
tomw -
1/23/12, 6:36 AM
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Jess said...
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My thought is you can never trust anyone that's spent 6 years trying to land a job and didn't starve.
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1/23/12, 11:03 AM
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Anonymous said...
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Geeezzz..Cant,cant we all just get along????
Agnostic x -
1/23/12, 11:22 AM
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Anonymous said...
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Rodney? I thought you was dead?
Casca -
1/23/12, 1:18 PM
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molonlabe28 said...
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Kristopher -
I have no duty as a Republican, because the RNC/GOP left me years ago.
I voted for GWHB in 1992, Bob Dole in 1996, GWB in 2005 and McCain in 2008.
I am no longer voting for awful candidates who get the Republican nod for President.
More often than not, their candidates do not represent my beliefs at all and I am not voting for any more deplorable candidates.
If you want more lousy candidates, by all means keep voting for the sad sacks they nominate.
I will vote for Newt, but I won't vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. -
1/23/12, 1:35 PM
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Kristophr said...
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If you don't fully support the party, then you should not have a say in the nomination.
I'm sorry to see you go.
I joined the party, and became a precinct person to support Palin. I will probably vote for Newt in the WY caucus. I will support the winning candidate, regardless.
That is part of being an actual party member, as opposed to just having an R after your name on the voter rolls. -
1/23/12, 9:21 PM
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