Colorado student quits high school choir after an Islamic song containing the lyric "there is no other truth except Allah" made it into the repertoire. |
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Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Singing the praise of Allah - in Colorado
16 comments:
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Wabano said...
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No, it is not!
Allah is a vulgar desert rock the desert rats AKA the 'slimes idolized as the "moon"...
Since they where all sodomites and did unspeakable thing with these stones after defecating, they in turn idolized their sex toy!
So Allah the Kaaba belong in the muslim's bathrooms or bed tables. -
2/15/12, 11:18 PM
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Alear said...
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Oh, I don't know. Catholic schools always me, but not all students were Catholic. Certain religious events (Mass, but not confession) were attendance required. The whole sit stand kneel gig was expected, but not communion. I recall that the non-Catholics were respectful. Sometimes humorous: If you've ever been at a Catholic wedding, there's always a bit of confusion, but it's taken lightly and the priest is always helpful.
So, say I'm either a Jew or a Catholic at my school, and in the drama club, and they want me to play Shylock. It's unlikely they'd kick me out if I preferred to take no part in the play on grounds of belief.
We were required to read Huckleberry Finn (is that active or passive? Which is what I'm trying to differentiate here.) This was the 70's, mind you, but the blacks in my class didn't seem to have a problem with it.
If I'm in the school opera, and I sang lead in Otello, which I don't know the lyrics, but suppose they include Rodg's very line quoted? Do I sing it? If I'm playing Iago, do I opt out because I've got to hear it? Do I refuse to go to the performance (passive observer) because of that line?
There are many plays I'd act in and say the lines as an actor and not actually profess the beliefs in reality. A key quote from the article here is "members who object to the religious content of musical selections aren't required to sing them." So don't sing the line, no biggie.
I recognize one or more of you may want to give some pushback on the whole church/state separation. Doesn't apply here, that was voluntary. If it's just an anti-Islamic thing, well, you probably haven't liked Cat Stevens ever since he converted and there's not much I can say. -
2/15/12, 11:33 PM
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Alear said...
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And Rodg, you did just blog-sing "there is no other truth except Allah" (and now so did I). Where does that put us?
PS: These new Turing words are killing me. Make them stop. -
2/15/12, 11:46 PM
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Shayne said...
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@Alear: The difference is this is a public school, nit Catholic school. The left has long screamed about there being no place for even a mention of G0d on school grounds, or events. This school is trying to have it two ways and should be roundly condemned for it.
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2/15/12, 11:52 PM
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Alear said...
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Shayne, I get Rodg's point, and now yours. But are you to say that after years of bemoaning the lack of menorahs and the Baby Jesus in the public square and the ridiculous euphemisms of the "Holiday Tree", that the first time the hypocritic left allows religion back into the public domain, you wish to strike it down? Why? Just to get back at them? Come on man, allow their snake to eat their own head. Even to them logic may be forsworn but it's not foregone.
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2/16/12, 12:58 AM
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Kristophr said...
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Tough one.
Songs that are more than 100 years old are a valid subject for a school chorus. God is usually a part of older songs, so they get a pass.
Modern Urdu religious hymns are not part of the culture ... this should be treated exactly like bringing a christian rock band into a public school ... an establishment clause violation.
This goes beyond teaching music, and strays into religious indoctrination.
Someone is being politically correct here, and needs to be punished in court. -
2/16/12, 1:42 AM
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Anonymous said...
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Muslims are *allowed* to sing?
Who knew?
As far as the current exact topic, I for one, abhor relaxing the rules to kowtow to Muslims. Twin cities taxi drivers won't allow alcoholic beverage containers in their cabs? Schools must supply foot baths? Dearborn allows call to prayer to be loudspeakered all over town?
No.
Especially NO when all the above mentioned exhibitions of faith in God, not specific religion, are denied.
tomw -
2/16/12, 8:16 AM
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Rodger the Real King of France said...
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Alear - to reclaify- We Are At War. I will fight any insinuation of Muslum culture into ours. Their goals are clear, and are stated by them time after time. Domination. Lest you forget.
The Muslum religion is in fact an ideology. Now, it may be true that so is Christianity, but it's our culture; the Western culture. And over the centuries we ceased putting people on the rack for non compliance. Islam shows no signs of abatement of their medieval practices. The two cultures are inimical.
Had Europe known what they know now, rest assured even those multi-culturists would have set barriers. We still can. I'm not so much bigoted; I am at war with our second greatest threat (after Liberalism). I mean all this in the best possible way. -
2/16/12, 9:26 AM
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rickn8or said...
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"Schools must supply foot baths?"
Those were foot baths ?
Ohh dear... -
2/16/12, 10:47 AM
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DougM said...
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I'm with ya, Rodge, on the danger of the Islamist ideology.
Personally, I give the kid a gold star for courage. He's not dealing with global issues, here, just following his conscience. I wish more folks would say, "You do what you want. Just count me out."
I wrote a treatise almost twenty years ago on the church/state problem, including a discussion of what was then the "school prayer" issue. This was before Islamism was even considered, of course. Yet, even then, the problem boiled down to: In pursuit of teaching kids social norms of traditional morality ... WHOSE prayers were you going to pray?
The problem, back then, wasn't even Christian-Jewish or even mainly Catholic-Protestant. At the time, the general assumption was that the prayers would be non-denominational, i.e. watered-down Protestant. What you ended up with was a theological pablum that either didn't satisfy or offended some denominations while outraging some cults and ignoring entire major religions. The result would be pretty much Deist, maybe with an "In Jesus name" added whenever the ethnic composition of the school allowed; but there would be no "naming" God, no Trinity, no St Mary, no kneeling or anything specific. Well, okay, monotheism was pretty much taken for granted, yeah.
I kind'a walked away with the feeling that no traditional morality could actually be taught under those circumstances.
Bottom line: this subject is a minefield, and the Founding Fathers knew it.
(I also give the FFs high marks for the wisdom of not including education as a FedGov responsibility in the Constitution.) -
2/16/12, 11:15 AM
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Anonymous said...
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It's time to make the case for privatizing ALL education. We have the technology. We'll need about a half million fewer teachers.
Casca -
2/16/12, 11:25 AM
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Kristophr said...
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Casca: +1
Get the government or of the education business. -
2/16/12, 12:49 PM
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Jess said...
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I still think we should just put them in a round building and tell them Mecca is towards the corner.
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2/16/12, 2:36 PM
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TomR armed in Texas said...
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America WAS (sucessfully)founded on Christian morals, values and principles. islan IS an enemy of America, Christianity and Western culture. That is all the input I need to make my decision about anything islamic.
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2/16/12, 3:11 PM
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I-RIGHT-I said...
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The pushback to all liberal PC outrages no matter how small they seem should be massive, immediate and violent. Unfortunately when we finally get there it will be too late. Hell, it's already too late.
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2/16/12, 5:30 PM
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Anonymous said...
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Casca, I'm with you and have already 'privatized' the education of my seven children. We homeschool, and I would advise anyone else who has kids to do the same. This is too important and too much is riding on the outcome. We have given up everything of a financial nature for our kids, its called sacrifice and it's nothing more than what generation upon generation of our ancestors did. We're a minority, but getting larger every year.
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2/16/12, 6:09 PM
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