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Friday, February 13, 2015

Godless and In Charge

Cuomo "Our Rights Do Not Come From God"
They come from Obama

CNN Talkinghead: 'Our Rights Do Not Come From God'

CNN anchor Chris Cuomo debated Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore over rights and marriage, particularly regarding the recent kerfuffle over same-sex marriage in the Heart of Dixie. When Moore explained that marriage is a matter of law and rights that come from God, Cuomo vehemently disagreed.

"Our rights do not come from God, your honor, and you know that. They come from man," Cuomo insisted.

Later he added, "That's your faith, that's my faith, but that's not our country. Our laws come from collective agreement and compromise."

What utter hogwash. As Moore aptly noted, the Declaration of Independence is the law of the land, and it begins, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."

But Cuomo isn't just mistaken. He and his deceased father, Mario, and his brother Andrew, former and current governors of New York, hold a typical leftist view that government and not God creates rights. Therefore, those rights are subject to the whims of politicians because, as Chris Cuomo insisted,

"Times change. Definitions change." Such views are dangerous and completely antithetical to the foundation of our country.

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Well, they are the people whose governing principle is "Just make shit up and sign it."

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15 comments:

rickn8or said...: "As Moore aptly noted, the Declaration of Independence is the law of the land..."

Sorry, the Constitution is the law of the land. The DOI is just a note unfriending Great Britain and George III.

Anyone not knowing the difference should not be in the legal profession, let alone the Chief Justice of the state of Alabama.

Roy Moore showing his bigotry again.; 2/13/15, 12:17 PM
Anonymous said...: "Bigotry", against whom sir?

Casca; 2/13/15, 12:42 PM
rickn8or said...: "Bigotry", against whom sir?

Why, anyone that doesn't think exactly like him of course.; 2/13/15, 1:18 PM
Anonymous said...: Mr. Cuomo suffers from genetic imbecilic tendencies.; 2/13/15, 1:24 PM
DougM said...: One can argue about the meaning of "Creator" (deity or nature), but all honest versions end up at the principle that unalienable rights are things that one is friggin' born with.
They are not given/granted/bestowed/etc by men or governments.
Their nature does not evolve with the prevailing political whim or current meaning of words.; 2/13/15, 5:51 PM
Unknown said...: One does not have to believe in God (or in any power, by any name, greater than our human selves) to benefit from our Founders' concept that the rights listed in our Bill of Rights pre-exist the formation of our government, and that our Constitution does not grant those rights, but acknowledges them and pledges to protect them.

But Cuomo's "argument" is a shot across the bow of that concept. If those basic rights are granted by government, then government can also take them away. This is the real reason why Cuomo and his ilk seek to take God out of our lives.; 2/13/15, 7:34 PM
rickn8or said...: Anonymous, don't confuse "imbecillic" with evil.

DougM, Stu, agree with every word of your posts.

Silly Mr. Cuomo thinks all us Americans will give up their rights that easily.; 2/13/15, 7:58 PM
Anonymous said...: Back before liberals questioned the meaning of "IS" even a democrat could understand the meaning of a word like "inalienable"

in·al·ien·a·ble
adjective: unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor.
"freedom of religion, the most inalienable of all human rights"
synonyms: inviolable, absolute, sacrosanct; 2/13/15, 11:59 PM
jw said...: anonymous, the word "inalienable" does not appear in either the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution.

the word "unalienable", however, does appear in the Declaration.; 2/14/15, 9:33 AM
Anonymous said...: Sorry but both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution make it clear that the rights of Americans do not come from God.

The term "unalienable rights" is found in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. And the Declaration of Independence is not a legal document for the US. What this means is that it has no authority over US laws, lawmakers, or citizens. It cannot be cited as precedent or as being binding in a courtroom. The purpose of the Declaration of Independence was to make a moral case for dissolving the legal ties between the colonies and Great Britain; once that goal was achieved, the official role of the Declaration was finished.

Further, religion is never mentioned in the Declaration. It refers to “Nature’s God,” “Creator,” and “Divine Providence.” Those term do not refer to the Christian God but are rather terms that were used in the sort of deism that was common among many of the Founders (including Thomas Jefferson who is the actual author of the Constitution - it's worth noting that Jefferson himself was opposed to many of the traditional Christian documents including a belief in the supernatural - Jefferson believed that Jesus was a great moral teacher but rejected any claims of the supernatural).

But that aside, the "rights" mentioned in the Declaration are "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" none of which are mentioned in the Constitution. And the Declaration itself makes it clear that governments derive their powers from the consent of the governed and not from any god or gods. [That's why the Constitution opens with the statement "We the people ...". In other words the highest power the Constitution, and hence the government, looked to was the people. That document looks to "the people" and never looks to God or religion - in fact there are only two references to religion, both negative.]; 2/14/15, 11:18 AM
DougM said...: At the time of the Declaration, unalienable and inalienable meant the same thing. They still do, for all practical purposes.
In fact, both words are used in different drafts of the Declaration, most notably Jefferson's.
There are, however, distinctive uses in law.; 2/14/15, 11:20 AM
DougM said...: ^ I meant that "inalienable" was used in a Jefferson draft.
^^ Jefferson didn't write the Constitution.
Slip of the pen, I reckon.; 2/14/15, 11:23 AM
Anonymous said...: "All men" are not endowed with unalienable "rights", as shown in the Declaration, by their creator, whoever or whatever that might be. Just ask anyone who was born into and still lives in any of the Middle East countries. They have absolutely no rights "endowed" to them, except to have the "right" to die whenever some asshole decides it is their beheading or stoning time, because of some stupid "belief".

Scottiebill

Scottiebill; 2/14/15, 1:23 PM
Unknown said...: Au contraire. Being endowed with such rights by our Creator does not mean all men will be fortunate enough to live under a government that has been chartered to honor and protect (rather than suppress and trample) those rights.; 2/14/15, 1:43 PM
Anonymous said...: Even an atheist must admit the natural state of man is to desire to live, be free, and do what makes him happy, so remove God from it and there is no change.
AWM; 2/16/15, 8:47 AM

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