Friday, June 19, 2015

Jenner Pet

Bruce Jenner's Cat





MARC M

26 comments:

Esteve said...

Like its master, a pitiful, confused creature.

Anonymous said...

Nothing confused about Caitlyn - she finally accepted who she is and decided to live her life that way.
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Anonymous said...

Nice try anon. A man that surgically mutilates himself has not 'accepted' anything. And he will NEVER be a she. Without the 'Y' its all a lie!
Tim

Anonymous said...

Tim, nice try but sex and gender are not the same thing. People use the terms interchangeably in common speech but the medical and scientific communities differentiate between the two.

Sex is biological (what plumbing an individual has if you prefer) while gender is much more of a sociological cultural concept.

Male and female brains are different due, in large part, to hormones in the womb during pregnancy. The sexualization of the genitals takes place at a different time than the sexualization of the brain so, to grossly oversimplify, it is quite possible for someone to be born with a "girl brain in a boy body" or vice versa.

If you go down to the commentary about a "female brain in a male body" you'll see that and find links to a number of journal articles and texts on the subject.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/fighting-back-against-ant_b_5633450.html

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Anonymous said...

That is ALL BS anon...no matter what he lops off or has implanted he is still a he.
In regards to his mental state THAT is quite obvious.
Skoot

Anonymous said...

Anonymush seems a little confused about the difference between genetics and mental illness.
ignore amos

pdwalker said...

Wow. Gender and Sex are unrelated. That's interesting use of redefining language to make truth into lies and lies into truth.

Nice. Double Plus Good.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous: Sex is biological. Gender is grammatical. No organism is "gendered", and only in certain languages do gendered nouns have to agree with their adjectives. If you would spend a little less time squeezing your pimples and pay more attention in class, you might have learned this already. You are free to believe anything you wish; even in Progressive America. But you are not free to co-opt my language, nor to ram your cockamamie bullcrap down my throat. Oh sure, you may THINK you are "all that and a bag of chips" but in no wise are you a salty, delicious deep fried thin slice of potato, let alone all that. Contrary to the adolescent philosophy of the logical positivists, the picture is NOT reality. The REALITY is the reality. What you have inside your head is YOUR problem. Stop making it mine, and eat your cake. We made it special. Just for you. Go on. Eat it.

--Jimmy don\'t play that

Anonymous said...

Fact - sex and gender are not the same thing.

Fact - male and female brains are physically different.

Fact - the differentiation occurs during pregnancy:

http://www.shb-info.org/sexbrain.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19955753

As the second of the two papers points out:

"...since sexual differentiation of the genitals takes place in the first two months of pregnancy and sexual differentiation of the brain starts in the second half of pregnancy, these two processes can be influenced independently, which may result in extreme cases in trans-sexuality. This also means that in the event of ambiguous sex at birth, the degree of masculinization of the genitals may not reflect the degree of masculinization of the brain. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual orientation."

In effect that means that some kids are simply born with a "girl brain in a boy body" or vice versa.

Fact - this is not something that can be cured. It is impossible to align a transgendered individual's mind with their body. Any treatment has to be physical.

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/transgender-children-s-minds-cannot-be-aligned-with-their-body-1.2168610

Fact - it is illegal in a number of states and Canadian provinces to subject minors to so called "conversion therapy" which is intended to change either their gender identity or their sexual orientation (the courts have defined it to be child abuse). It doesn't work and actually causes serious harm.

If in doubt google Leelah Alcorn.

Fact - in excess of 40% of transgendered teens attempt suicide (the norm for all teens is roughly 4%).

Fact - among transgendered teens whose parents accept them the average is about half that.

Fact - among those that experienced relatively low levels of transphobia the rate drops again.

Fact - among those that have identity documents (e.e., drivers license and birth certificate) corresponding to their "new" gender the rate drops again.

End result is that the combination of those three things means that the attempted suicide rate among trans* teens who are that lucky is about the same as teens in general.

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leelu said...

Anon - Medical Journal citations, please.

Thanks.

Kim du Toit said...

I'd join the conversation but I'm still laughing at the meme-pic.

rickn8or said...

I'm tired of seeing / reading / hearing about both Caitlyn and Rachel.

Ragin' Dave said...

Why is it that every liberal douche-nozzle always ends up listing their lies with the usual crap:

FACT: The moon is made of cheese!

FACT: Barack Obama is the greatest President EVAR!

FACT: Bruce Jenner is a woman, and up is down, and black is white!

It's like a giant red flag waving back and forth screaming "I'M FULL OF SHIT AND GET MY TALKING POINTS FROM MSNBC LIKE A GOOD LITTLE PROGGIE!" You may as well claim that cats and dogs are the same thing, or that Democrats actually love America. We all know it's bullshit once you whip out the "FACT!!!!!!111!!!!eleventy!!!" crap.

munch said...

Gender applies to grammar not people. The Supreme Court invented gender discrimination (as it invented "diversity" as a good thing).

And it seems Ms. Ginsburg's secretary, who typed up her legal briefs for her, deserves some credit for a shift in public discourse.

Mr. Toobin quotes Ginsburg: "I was doing all these sex-discrimination cases, and my secretary said, 'I look at these pages and all I see is sex, sex, sex. The judges are men, and when they read that they're not going to be thinking about what you want them to think about.' "

From that point on, Toobin writes, Ginsburg changed her claim to "gender discrimination."

munch said...

Although people claim multiple gender identities and fluid gender identities, almost no one claims one of the three co-equal gender identities - neuter. I don;t think you will get much attention if you say you have no sexual identity. Lets see the neuter marches and the neuter rights movement. And shouldn't neuters object to the sexualization of public discourse when it discriminates against them?

munch said...

How many neuter coders do we have in Silicon Valley. And the shameful lack of neuter's in the board room!

munch said...

Nearly a third of all nouns are neuter, and I don't see one self identified neuter blogger!

Anonymous said...

Barbie and Ken should be the official spokespersons of the neuter movement.

Phil N. LeBlanc

Anonymous said...

Mmmkay, anonymous. FACT: Biological differences in reproductive systems of an organism are what differentiates the sexes. FACT: If you have male external genitalia, you are a MALE. If you are an effeminate male, or prefer sexual encounters with other males, this does not change the FACT that you are a MALE. If you surgically alter yourself to remove the male external primary sexual characteristics and hormonally alter your body chemistry to reduce the secondary sexual characteristics, you ARE STILL A MALE. Vice versa for FEMALE. There is no such thing as "GENDER" in biology. Perhaps in psychology. But I don't give a crap about what is in your head when you drop trou in the WOMENs bathroom. If your OUTIE makes an appearance, you picked the wrong pissoir. Similarly, if you are in the MENs room and pull down your pants, and the INNIE is on display, you made a mistake. None of gives a flying f**kc at a rolling donut what goes on inside your HEAD - this is the true nature of liberty. You can think you are a woman, or a lesbian trapped in a man's body, or a filter feeding bivalve. Your external genitalia still determine your SEX and there is NO SUCH THING AS GENDER. As the Beatles said in Yellow Submarine, "its all in your mind". Now, having cleared the room of your stupid bloody nonsense, I do know there are people born with BOTH sets of genitalia. There are people with an ABNORMAL GENETIC MAKEUP who may have secondary sexual characteristics that are incompatible with their primary genitalia. But do not even try to convince me (or any other thinking person) that these anomalies constitute 10%, 5%, or even 1% of the population. No, the majority of people who want to intimidate the rest of the world into believing that you can be a woman if you just believe in it enough and that actually makes you a woman (or perhaps those like yourself, who feel the need to enable this idiocy out of some misguided sense of compassion), are just loony. Nucking futz. Fruitcakes. Half a bubble out of plumb. Does that make them bad? Of course not. But your snivelling is intended to shame me into caring. I don't. 40% of "transgendered" teens attempt suicide? How many succeed? Not a lot, I'll reckon. Attempted suicide is a pathetic cry for attention. Hey, sorta like cross-dressing. Pathetic cries for attention are indicative of improper socialization at a minimum, and mental illness at the worst. And yet you would have me aid and abet these tendencies? Why not let them alone? If they make the person happy, fine with me. If they are miserable, they can get help. But I'm not going to empower their suffering by worshipping their differences. What offends me more than any public displays of sexual identity confusion is your bullying insistence that any of us has to care. Now, get off of my language.

--Jimmy don\'t play that

pdwalker said...

*clap* *calp* *clap*

Unknown said...

"Jimmy" or whoever you are: 'Nicely done, but try to hit "paragraph" once in awhile to keep the reader's eyes from glazing over, no matter how cogent your content.

Unknown said...

P.S. "Half a bubble out of plumb": I love it!

Anonymous said...

Not that I expect most of the posters to bother reading anything factual but let's start with

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/sexuality-definitions.pdf

Or you could read this (I know it's Huffpro that I normally don't like but this article contains any number of links to the scientific papers and texts

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/fighting-back-against-ant_b_5633450.html

If you want more links you can find any number on this page

http://aebrain.blogspot.com/p/transsexual-and-intersex-gender-identity.html

As for suicide risk

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2458/15/525

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Ragin' Dave said...

At this point we're just going to point at you and laugh as you try to deny science. XX and XY, buddy. All your BS and hot air cannot negate the XX and XY facts of life.

Sorry. Maybe one day you'll see it.

Anonymous said...

Ragin' Dave - hate to burst your bubble but sex and gender are no the same thing. And even sex isn't as simple as XX and XY (but that would require you to read and understand some medical literature).

Sex is biological (what plumbing someone has if you prefer) but even then approximately 1% of the population is intersex so things aren't as neat as you seem to want them to be.

Gender is cultural/sociological and it doesn't always correspond to sex (read my above links). If you want something a little simpler try these. Male and female brains are different.

http://www.shb-info.org/sexbrain.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19955753

As the second of the two articles points out:

"...since sexual differentiation of the genitals takes place in the first two months of pregnancy and sexual differentiation of the brain starts in the second half of pregnancy, these two processes can be influenced independently, which may result in extreme cases in trans-sexuality. This also means that in the event of ambiguous sex at birth, the degree of masculinization of the genitals may not reflect the degree of masculinization of the brain. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual orientation."

In effect that means that some kids are simply born with a "girl brain in a boy body" or vice versa.

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Ragin' Dave said...

"There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual orientation"

Sorry, but bullshit. If sexuality were all based in genes, the number of homosexuals or people who consider themselves "trans" would have bred itself out long ago. Again, this is basic science. When you are sexually attracted to the same gender, the likelihood of passing your genes on drops considerably. What you are in effect trying to claim is that homosexuality or being a Tranny is genetic, in the face of logic that says a self-negating behavior cannot continue or grow for very long. Even your statements of "Gender is cultural sociological" flies in the face of the snippet you posted.

Try again, science denier.

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