Thursday, August 06, 2009

Hold yer fire - unless they're dressed in pink


While in conversation with my staff Tuesday night, I was asked whether I thought our military would fire on civilians.  I remembered a study that was done during the Clinton years (funny how these issues gain importance when Democrats have the White House).  As I remembered it, Marines were asked that very question, and the answer seemed to be no.  Later I Googled it up.  This is not exactly what I remembered, but close enough. 

 By Forest Glen Durland

The U. S. military machine is shifting from war at the front lines with enemy solders to non-lethal war with civilians to quell uprisings. This bodes ill for America. An article in U.S. News and World Report entitled "Wonder Weapons" (July 7, 1997) described some of the weapons already developed. The comic book structure of the article displayed soldiers using stun guns on civilians.

PDD 25 (Presidential Decision Directive), signed by Clinton on May 3, 1994, puts America troops under foreign command. You no doubt remember the big question that was asked shortly thereafter. Our Marines were asked if they would fire on Americans. The U. S. military denied asking the question until they had it rammed down their throat. Again we have the secrecy threat. Why? You no doubt remember the unannounced raids in populated cities on empty buildings. Local residents were scared half to death. Many of you would not have heard about it because it was not carried by the main stream media. Again, we have the secrecy cloak. And again I ask, why?

Will America troops fire on Americans? Probably not. But bitter foreign troops will. Your tax dollars are training foreign troops in America. Do they hate Americans?
All this led me to discover Oath Keepers, (for the second time this year) which many of you prolly  knew about  They cover many issues, but it's this, where they ask Americans to subscribe to this oath, that's relevant.
1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.

2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people

3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.

4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.

5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.

6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control."

9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.

10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

Click here to read full length version.
They don't keep the identities of people on file, because many are active duty military.  It was a Thursday morning feel-good for me. 


Anonymous said...

Hey Rog, in the past you posted a movie about the rise of Stalin. Any chance you could re-post that? It seems a little more germane every day.


gunnypink said...

To my military mind, this is a pretty good picture of why the statists consider veterans and Christians to be terrorists. I took an oath to protect this country, that includes the civilians therein. How in the hell, can people be so stupid that they would think the stupid way of communist russia, is better for this country?
All ready on the firing line, with a magazine and fifteen rounds, load and commence firing when you see the red of their ideas.

Anonymous said...

Adjusts my foil chapeau and....

that's exactly the kind of thing I'd set up if I wanted to know who would carry out such orders and who wouldn't. There's no need for a membership list to believe, agree with, or follow that organization's creed. Even if they are legit (I assume they are) there's no control on what happens to that membership list. One search warrant and it's in Napolitono's sweaty hands. I advise against joining or even donating.

Annoyed White Male

WV: "anoreo". Serious. An oreo.

pdwalker said...

Look how far the country has come in 40 years. Maybe if they keep turning up the heat slowly while they continue the stupidification of the american populace through the atrocious education system, they can get all they want without firing a shot.

BobG said...

"There's a reason you separate the military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."
--Commander Adama, in the episode "Bastille Day" of the Battlestar Galactica series

Anonymous said...

Have we forgotten Waco? Those were not ATF tanks.

I remember the Rodney King riots. I lived in San Clemente and I remember the Marine Cobras flying in formation up I-5 to LA. I had no problem with them firing. I doubt they were armed.

Chuck Martel said...

I always find comfort in the knowledge that our people own all of the deer rifles. All of them.

molonlabe28 said...

Anyone who orders US military personnel to take military action against a US citizen does so at his own peril (think: the French Revolution).

Our military will not act against our citizens - never, ever.

They thanklessly fight to the death in third world ratholes to preserve our liberties.

They are not going to return to US soil to try to remove them.

JFK didn't control the CIA or the military.

I don't think that this President does either.

Jinglebob said...

Keep at least one good rifle that uses the same ammo as our troops. .223 isn't it, right now? Then we will always be able to get ammo, when we need it, if push comes to shove.

DonM said...

Say Rodger,

I'm a little late to this discussion because I couldn't post from work.

A study was done at the Twenty-Nine Palms, Ca. marine base as information to support a Master's thesis. Included in the questionaire was whether or not the respondant would fire on U.S. civilians. Some of the marines answered in the affirmative. Most distressing to me and missed by most was the two pages of questions dealing with demographics. We now have a profile of individuals in the military that would indeed fire on civilians that can be used to create units for specialized training to conduct such operations. I'm not suggesting that this is the intent but the data is in the files. If I can find the actual questionaire I'll forward it to you but I changed computers and may not have it now.

Rodger the Real King of France said...

Don - that's the exact paper I was thinking of~

DonM said...

If I can Find it I will send it to you. Whomever wiped my former computer were't merely Trojans, They were SPARTANS!

Anonymous said...

Well, I have great faith in our military. And I don't begrudge a single penny of my tax dollars that supports it. But my people were in the Shenandoah Valley during Phil Sheridan's depredations there, so perhaps you will forgive me for being a tad circumspect in this regard (and Sheridan was not the only general officer who performed such war crimes with the willing consent of Abraham Lincoln). I do not think today's troops would so act, but it has happened before......perhaps that's what the civilian defense force O'Bama wants to enact is really for. That would not surprise me in the least.


Anonymous said...

There are always a handful that will follow even illegal an immoral orders, and there very well may be a quiet effort to find them for future use, but I'm sure that number is very small and Good Guys are on our side. Simply not firing on us may not be enough. I want to know if the Good Guys will fire on Bad Guys wearing the same uniform? They may be forced to that choice.


pdwalker said...

Remember, the first step will be to dehumanize the target group of people. After that, getting someone in "authority" to fire upon them will be much easier.

Tell a big enough lie long enough, and it becomes truth. It worked on Jews. Who says conservative whites won't be next?

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