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            Saturday, February 08, 2014







Gun Control: A War Not a Conversation

Today's American Thinker features an article, "Gun Control: A War Not a Conversation",  the theme of which is that when Democrats claim that "we need to have a 'conversation' about gun control", they're not really after a "conversation"; they are already clearly at war with the notion of private gun ownership, with the Second Amendment, with the other freedoms that the Second Amendment protects, and with the Constitution and the very notion of Liberty itself.
(1) The enemy have deployed military-grade hate propaganda against gun owners.
(2) A Blitzkrieg is not a conversation
(3) Incrementalism is War

 The article gives solid examples of the type of propaganda being used to turn public opinion against citizens exercising their Constitutionally-protected gun rights, and the legislative ploys used to further the anti-gun agenda. 
 One point made in the article is how we've already allowed opponents of gun rights to seize control of the language. For example, we should not be talking about "gun control" but of "gun rights". -Stu Tarlowe


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(1) The enemy have deployed military-grade hate propaganda against gun owners.
Does any reasonable person believe that a German Jew could have had a constructive win-win conversation with the creators of this poster?
If not, does anybody believe that firearm owners can trust the creators of a cartoon that depicts an NRA member threatening to assassinate the President of the United States? Here is another that shows politicians who support the Second Amendment, along with the Republican Elephant, standing on the graves of the Sandy Hook shooting victims. These are but a handful of countless images whose purpose is to demonize law-abiding firearm owners the same way the Nazis promoted hatred of Jews or, for that matter, the way the Yellow Press fomented hatred of Spaniards in 1898. It is instructive to compare this image of a "Second Amendment supporter," and this one by Steve Benson, to Grant Hamilton's depiction of a Spaniard:
The anti-Second Amendment camp, as led by President Obama, has also waged other dishonest forms of psychological warfare and gaslighting to advance its agenda. It is difficult to have any kind of good faith "conversation" with somebody who is using against our side the only weapon of war (propaganda) that it is legal to use during peacetime.
I am not complaining like a child who has been hit by a bully on the schoolyard, because my knowledge of psychological warfare goes far beyond the amateur efforts of cartoonists like Steve Benson. Benson violates repeatedly a basic PsyWar rule by demonizing the opposing side's rank and file, thus making his cartoons one of the best recruiting tools available to the NRA. If the other side uses a psychological weapon of war against my side, my side has the right to use it back, and with compound interest. If the other side starts a war, our side must finish it in a manner that leaves organizations and political careers in ruins. If the Million Mom March was the anti-Second Amendment side's Hiroshima, then we must make Michael Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns its Nagasaki. As Lord Clifford put it in King Henry VI, "I will not bandy with thee word for word/ But buckle with thee blows; twice two for one." Full Article: 


(Tarlowe) One entry (JohnFRoss) from the Comments section stands out as recommended reading:
       
An excellent article, especially concerning the use of language to accurately describe the enemies of freedom and their policies. I'd add another one: Refer to "gun control" laws as VICTIM DISARMAMENT laws, which is what they are.

Here are a few other suggestions. In my opinion, the biggest mistake we make is failing to take the moral high ground on our issue, and letting our enemies define the terms.

THEY SAY: "We'd be better off if no one had guns."

WE SAY:
"You can never succeed at that, criminals will always get guns." (FLAW: The implication here is that if you COULD succeed, it would be a reasonable plan.)

WE SHOULD SAY: "So, you want to institute a system where the weak and elderly are at the mercy of the strong, the lone are at the mercy of the gang. You want to give violent criminals a government guarantee that citizens are disarmed. Sorry, that's unacceptable. Better that we should require every citizen to carry a gun."

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THEY SAY: "Those assault rifles have no sporting purpose. You don't need a 30-round magazine for hunting deer -- they're only for killing people."

WE SAY: "I compete in DCM High Power with my AR-15. You need a large-capacity magazine for their course of fire. My SKS is a fine deer rifle, and I've never done anything to give my government reason not to trust me, blah, blah, blah." (FLAW: You have implicitly conceded that it is OK to ban any gun with no sporting use. And eventually they can replace your sporting arms with arcade-game substitutes.)

WE SHOULD SAY: "Your claim that 'they're only for killing people' is imprecise. A gas chamber or electric chair is designed for killing people, and these devices obviously serve different functions than guns. To be precise, a high capacity military-type rifle or handgun is designed for CONFLICT. When I need to protect myself and my freedom, I want the most reliable, most durable, highest capacity weapon possible. The only thing hunting and target shooting have to do with freedom is that they're good practice."

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THEY SAY: "If we pass this CCW law, it will be like the Wild West, with shoot-outs all the time for fender-benders, in bars, etc. We need to keep guns off the streets. If doing so saves just one life, it will be worth it."

WE SAY: "Studies have shown blah blah blah." (Flaw: You have implied that if studies showed CCW laws equaled more heat-of-passion shooting, CCW should be illegal.)

WE SHOULD SAY: "Although no state has experienced what you are describing, that's not important. What is important is our freedom. If saving lives is more important that anything else, why don't we throw out the Fifth amendment? We have the technology to administer an annual truth serum session to the entire population. We'd catch the criminals and mistaken arrest would be a thing of the past. How does that sound?"

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THEY SAY: "I don't see what the big deal is about a five day waiting period."

WE SAY: "It doesn't do any good, criminals don't wait five days, it's a waste of resources blah blah blah." (FLAW: You have implied that if waiting periods DID reduce crime, they would be a good idea.)

WHAT WE SHOULD SAY: "How about a 24-hour cooling-off period with a government review board before the news is reported? Wouldn't that prevent lives from being ruined, e.g. Richard Jewell? And the fact that this law applies to people who ALREADY own a handgun tells me that it's not about crime prevention, it's about harassment. Personally, I want to live in a free society, not a 'safe' one with the government as chief nanny."

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THEY SAY: "In 1776, citizens had muskets. No one ever envisioned these deadly AK-47s. I suppose you think we should all have atomic bombs."

WE SAY: "Uh, well, uh . . ."

WE SHOULD SAY: "Actually, the Founders discussed this very issue - it's in the Federalist Papers. They wanted the citizens to have the same guns as were the issue weapons of soldiers in a modern infantry. Soldiers in 1776 were each issued muskets, but not the large field pieces with exploding shells. In 2014, soldiers are issued M16s, M249s, etc. but not howitzers and atomic bombs. Furthermore, according to your logic, the laws governing freedom of the press are only valid for newspapers whose presses are hand-operated and use fixed type. After all, no one in 1776 foresaw offset printing or electricity, let alone TV and satellite transmission."

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THEY SAY: "We require licenses on cars, but the powerful NRA screams bloody murder if anyone ever suggests licensing these weapons of mass destruction."

WE SAY: Nothing, usually, and just sit there looking dumb.

WE SHOULD SAY: "You know, driving is a luxury, where firearms ownership is a right secured by the Constitution. But let's put that aside for a moment. 
 "It's interesting you compared guns and vehicles. Here in the U.S. you can AT ANY AGE go into any state and buy as many motorcycles, cars, or trucks of any size as you want, and you don't need to do anything if you don't use them on public property. 
 "If you DO want to use them on public property, you can get a license at age 16. This license is good in all 50 states. NO waiting periods, no background checks, nothing. If we treated guns like cars, a fourteen-year-old could go into any state and legally buy handguns, machine guns, cannons, whatever, cash and carry, and shoot them all with complete legality on private property. And at age 16 he could get a state license good anywhere in the country to shoot these guns on public property."

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Final comment, useful with most all arguments:

YOU SAY: "You know, I'm amazed at how little you care about your grandchildren. I would have thought they meant more to you than anything."

THEY SAY: "Hunh?"

YOU SAY: "Well, passing this proposal won't have a big immediate effect. I mean, in the next couple of years, neither Barack Obama nor Ted Cruz is going to open up internment camps like Roosevelt did seventy-odd years ago. 
 "But think of your worst nightmare of a political leader. Isn't it POSSIBLE that a person like that MIGHT be in control here some time in the next 30, 40, or 50 years, with 51% of the Congress and 51% of the Senate behind him? If that does happen, do you REALLY what your grandchildren to have been stripped of their final guarantee of freedom? And do you really want them to have been stripped of it BY YOU?"

  
Stu Tarlowe via Skoonj





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Writing in Righteous Indignation, Breitbart noted that, “the left doesn’t win its battles in debate. It doesn’t have to. In the 21st century, media is everything. The left wins because it controls the narrative. The narrative is controlled by the media. The left is the media and narrative is everything.”
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WHAT WE SHOULD SAY:

"STFU and I told you I didn't want onions on that."

The very idea that a conversation can take place in good faith or otherwise with these people is our first and biggest mistake.
 
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If you hunt deer with an SKS you are an asshole, and should be arrested based on good taste alone. American deer are not taken by Chicom trash.-Anymouse
 
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I think we can just assume that soon some of the US will no longer have its constitutional granted freedoms. Mostly they do not care or deserve them. All that can be done now is to save part of the country, and deny access to those that shat where they sleep. Enough of this "one people" garbage. It has no basis in historical fact.
 
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At this point, the only peaceful resolution I can see is a partitioning of the country between freedom lovers and freedom haters.
 
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Anymouse, I think you are right about hunting deer with an SKS, assuming that's the AK47 copy and not the "sniper" rifle.

On the other hand, modern sporting rifles like the AR15 can be used on such hunting prey as coyotes, wild pigs, raccoons, and so on.
 
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"If you hunt deer with an SKS you are an asshole, and should be arrested based on good taste alone."

SKS: semi-auto rifle, internal mag holding five 7.62x39mm cartridges.

Remington Mod 740: semi-auto rifle, internal mag holding five 7.62x51mm (among other) cartridges.

Browning BAR: semi-auto rifle, internal mag holding five 7.62x51mm (among other) cartridges.

Of the three, the SKS is the most reliable, also the ugliest. Its other shortcoming is that it's only chambered solely for the short 7.62x39mm cartridge, which is a perfectly adequate cartridge for small/medium-sized game (as is the .308Win/7.62x51mm).

There is no reason -- NOT ONE -- why someone should not use an SKS for deer hunting, any more than one should not use any other semi-auto rifle for hunting. It's not the rifle, it's the cartridge; and the 7.62x39mm does just fine. In fact, Savage, Remington and CZ all make bolt-action rifles chambered for the "39" as well.

Sure, the SKS is ugly. So are a lot of rifles, but that's not a disqualifier for hunting -- or else a lot of PEOPLE wouldn't be allowed to hunt, either.

My $0.02 -- others may differ.

Kim
 
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Sorry, there is one reason not to hunt deer with an SKS. You look like an asshole. I said nothing about the caliber, I'm aware it will do the job if you manage to hit your aimpoint. Thing is, when you are gutting the deer and other hunters walk up on you and see your cheap Norinco piece of trash. You look like an asshole. Spend a few extra dollars, get a respectable hunting fire arm so people wont think you are a gang member or an immigrant poacher. This also goes for being at the range. When people see you with your SKS, they judge you. Quality people buy quality fire arms, the inverse is true. My Dad had a pristine M1 Garand, it was a weapon for killing men, not deer. It never went to the hunting cabin with us. Appearances mattered then. -Anymouse
 
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I agree with John Ross.

We dictate our own dialogue.

We ain't gonna let the other side, with its slick phraseology, define a debate to disenfranchise us of our Constitutional rights as tantamount to discussing health care insurance with the pajama boy over hot chocolate.
 
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Funny - I always thought hunting was about bringing meat home and/or the sport of the hunt. I didn't realize the importance of using the "right" kind of rifle to impress strangers who might walk by.

At least a dead deer shot with an SKS won't have to suffer the ignominy of knowing he was taken down by a cheap Norinco piece of trash.
 
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The BAR is 30-06, nicht wahr?

Casca
 
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