Curmudgeonly & Skeptical presents Boned Jello: Second Hand Smoke

Sunday, December 21, 2008

Second Hand Smoke

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104 Second Hand Smoke - Baby Bullshit

I submit that this Penn and Teller Bullshit segment's real value is found in it's documentation of how the left operates. Substitute Global Warming, Asbestos, Acid Rain, Embryonic Stem Cells, or even Obama's presidential campaign for "second hand smoke" in this presentation, and voila! They twist truth into lies, and repeat ad nauseum to people incapable of critical thought. NSFW, but rated

for advancing truth, justice, and the American way. Just like Superman.

PS- You prolly already know about the tort law lobby's role in creating this myth, but P&T didn't mention that, so I will. Tort lawyers are ratbastardcommie enablers. Superman hates them for that.

Rodger the Real King of France 12/21/2008 08:45:00 AM 24 Comments

"If the number of Islamic terror attacks continues at the current rate, candlelight vigils will soon be the number-one cause of global warming. "
Argus Hamilton

24 comments:

AnnoyedOne said...: IMO all the scientific arguments are beside the point. Its an issue of Individual Rights.

If someone chooses to smoke that's their choice. If others choose to hang around them and inhale their smoke that's their choice.

End of story.

Joe (Stalin) is MFCS RatBastardCommie.; 12/21/08, 10:19 AM
Gothguy said...: Liberals always want to do what is 'best' for you, but in all actuality, they are the most selfish and narcissistic assholes on the face of the planet.

Lord knows I hate them with a passion!; 12/21/08, 10:26 AM
AnnoyedOne said...: I love these guys...; 12/21/08, 10:33 AM
Anonymous said...: Wonder'ff Joe's boyfriend enjoys a few puffs?; 12/21/08, 11:01 AM
pdwalker said...: Brilliant show.; 12/21/08, 11:43 AM
Anonymous said...: Lord, if you could have seen my home on a Sunday when I was growing up. My House? It's the one next to the corner with the smoke pouring out of the backdoor.

Remember that scene when Sean Penn falls out of the VW van in a cloud of reefer smoke? That was my house when my aunts and uncles came over for Sunday dinner, well, minus the reefer.

The founders would be turning over in their graves to see government interfering in private business like this. If you don't like second hand smoke then don't go into a business where there is second hand smoke. If it bothers you, then don't work in a business where there is second hand smoke. The effing liberals are out of control and where it will end-man you've got me.

Now the Kenny G ban? I'll roll with that.
MM; 12/21/08, 12:07 PM
Anonymous said...: I disagree with the government banning smoking, except on airplanes, because I don't think that the government should regulate private activity.

But, I don't eat in restaurants which permit smoking, nor do I go places where smoking is taking place.

We don't permit smoking in my office. If you want to smoke, you are in the wrong place.

And, even though I oppose governmental bans on smoking, I feel no remorse for smokers.

Smokers have been nothing but a PITA to me my whole life, and I don't care that they are now being boxed in by businesses which decide that they don't want the 25%of people who do smoke pissing off the 75% who do not.

I wish that I could still smoke an occasional cigar or chew or dip tobacco (I long since gave up these pleasurable habits), but I would not do it in the presence of someone who may be bothered by it. That is because cigar smoke has a noxious odor and most people seem to regard spitting into a cup to be rather disgusting.

I refrain from doing these things in public, because I have manners and consideration, both of which are novel concepts to many smokers.

When I grew up, both of my parents smoked, at home, in cars (with rolled up windows), and pretty much everywhere else (e.g. elevators), and other adults would smoke near me (e.g. sitting next to me on a plane) when I had no avenue of departure since I was a child.

There is a particularly hot part of hell reserved for adults who smoke around children.

If you want to smoke, you can do it until you die, and I hope that the government doesn't keep you from doing so.

But, if you do smoke, you may want to exercise some scintilla of consideration about it when you are in public.; 12/21/08, 12:50 PM
Anonymous said...: I am against the government banning things that we can hurt ourselves with or requiring things that will protect us in almost all cases except smoking bans.

The difference between smoking bans an other intrusive legislations like trans-fats, seat belts, helmets, etc is most of the stuff they try to ban or force upon us will only hurt or help the person using it.

Smoking is different. It effects everyone in the near vicinity of the smoker. Its effects linger in an area long after the smoker leaves so anyone who walks through that area has to deal with the after effects of that smoker.

I find the smell of smoking to be completely disgusting. I don't care if the smoke is harmful or not, it smells bad. It doesn't just smell bad when I am around it. It permeates my clothes and my hair and then I am forced to smell it all day, it adheres to my contact lenses and makes my eyes burn for hours after exposure.

If smokers want the right to force me to put up with their obnoxious odors then I want the right to smear dog shit all over them, their clothes, their hair and their eyes every time they light up around me.

The argument that if I don't like the smell of the smoke I should stay out of places that allow smoking is just stupid. Before the bans there was no where you could go that you were not subjected to some assholes noxious fumes. What people are saying with that argument is that smokers can go anywhere, and do anything they want to. The rest of us just have to put up with your shit. IMO that makes smokers just like all the other self centered arrogant assholes who want to control our lives. The liberals control us with laws, smokers control us by fouling the environment around them so that no one other than another smoker can stand to be near them.

If you want to smoke, do so where no one else has to smell it. Telling us that if we leave our house we will have to put up with your shit is even more oppressive than any ban on any substance we have ever legislated.; 12/21/08, 2:09 PM
Anonymous said...: These guys are hypocrites if anything. They did an episode on medical marijuana that had a woman too frail to smoke pot on her own, so someone else would inhale and then blow it into her face. Now if they claim that you get about 1/100th of a hit from this secondhand smoke, it stands to reason that the same effect is seen here.

So is blowing smoke into someone's face a delivery system for transmitting smoke, or isn't it?; 12/21/08, 2:22 PM
Anonymous said...: Great video, Rodger, I feel vindicated. I have been vilified over the years for calling BS on second hand smoke because I could never find data to back up my assertions - I'm terrible at doing research online. I followed this issue closely about two decades ago through dead tree articles which I no longer possess. The government sponsored about two dozen studies in order to find the dangers of second hand smoke. They all found about the same thing - that there were no measurable health hazards. Then, the one study mentioned in the video came out and the FDA, realizing that it wasn't going to get anything better and ran with it taking actions that even that BS study couldn't support - like declaring second hand smoke to be a 'group A' carcinogen right up there with asbestos.

Contrary to what assholes like Rocky would have you believe, the vast majority of smokers never blow smoke in anyone's face except maybe when assholes like Rocky get in their faces about their smoking. There is a huge difference between getting a shotgun and ambient smoke, dickwad.

Molonlabe - I agree with you 100% except that I couldn't disagree more. I too am a non smoker - they made me quit on pain of death almost two years ago. I still won't eat at a restaurant where smoking isn't allowed. A smoke-free bar or restaurant is also one that is free of myself. I can't think of many aromas that are more pleasant than tobacco, whether burning in the form of a cigarette, cigar or in a pipe.

Now, I can understand that the odor is unpleasant or even irritating to some people and, when I still smoked, I would happily make every effort to accommodate them but I had no pity for those who refused to accommodate me - especially when they started shoveling second hand smoke or smoke allergy* bullshit at me.
GrinfilledCelt

*This is one Penn & Teller missed. If anyone tells you that they are allergic to cigarette smoke ask them for the name of their allergist. I guarantee that they never consulted one.; 12/21/08, 2:44 PM
Anonymous said...: Hey David, if you don't like smoke then effing don't go to places where people smoke. But don't tell me to ban smoking in my establishment because the high and mighty David doesn't like it. TFB.

I just don't understand how you can justify telling me not to allow the consumption of a legal product on my property. You can not.

If my bar/restaurant/casino/GD hardware store is not smoke free and it bothers you, then stay the hell out.

Sheesh dude.
MM; 12/21/08, 3:26 PM
Anonymous said...: MM - No worries mate, if your bar/restuarant/casino/GD hardware store allows cigarette smoking I will not ever go into it.

And that is the problem. If there were no smoking bans there would be no store, no restaurant, no office where I could go without being subjected to the obnoxious smell of cigarette smoke. I know business owners who tried to personally ban smoking in their businesses before the bans and they were sued by smokers.

But I will meet you half way. Lets stop banning smoking but require every single business or building to declare themselves to be either a smoke free or smoke friendly building. There will be a sign posted whether or not you will be allowed to smoke in the building. Then allow no lawsuits or complaints. If we don't like smoke we'll stay out of the smoker places. If you want to smoke or smell like smoke, stay out of the smoke free places.

But it has to be absolute. None of this nonsmoker areas right next to smoking areas. Smoking areas right outside the doors of nonsmoking areas have to go also. No waffling - every business owner must make a stand. Cater to smokers or non smokers. Chose one!

Let the free market sort it out.; 12/21/08, 4:32 PM
Anonymous said...: Let me get this straight, David. You are saying that it should be mandated that every bar and restaurant declare whether they are smoking or non-smoking - no other options allowed. This is what you call a 'free market'.

You don't take into account open-air dining, ventilation or air filtering. I remember a dining experience in my pre-smoking days where I paused in the middle of my meal for a look around and discovered that the guy sitting behind me was smoking a cigar. I had been totally unaware of this when the back of his chair couldn't have been more than three inches from mine.
GrinfilledCelt; 12/21/08, 5:03 PM
Anonymous said...: I can't believe I got sucked into an argument with someone with the creativity to call himself "Anonymous", but I guess I can't expect much more from someone who has to resort to throwing childish profanity at me.

Nowhere in my post does it say this: "The vast majority of smokers blow smoke in people's faces." I think if smokers are getting a bad rap, it's because of ex-smokers who want some sort of slap on the back for having finally quit only when it came to life or death. Tough break that you did something for years that you must have known was bad for you, but it's your problem. Anyone who likes to smoke around other people is making it their problem.

The whole thrust of my post was to expose Penn and Teller as sending out duplicitous messages in regards to what a significant amount of smoke exposure does to people. Are you trying to tell me that sitting by a smoker for an hour is not the same level of exposure as having a puff of smoke blown in your face once? I would love top have a scientific level of conversation with you, but I can see the Nicorette gum isn't chilling you out the way we all hoped.

So feel free to put words in my mouth, but let me clarify what this post is saying--I hope you don't end up with an abnormal growth showing up on your lung X-ray, I don't hope you have to go through years of agonizing chemo, I don't hope you have to lie in a hospital bed wondering when the suffering finally ends, and I don't hope you finally croak witha ll of your relatives feeling that tinge of relief that you aren't a burden to them any longer. Clear enough?; 12/21/08, 5:04 PM
Anonymous said...: There are several issues with respect to smoking in public places:

1. Should it be illegal in private sector businesses (except for on airplanes and perhaps a few other exceptions, such as hospitals)? No.

2. Should private sector businesses prohibit smoking in their premises? Depends on whether they want to cultivate the business of smokers, of non-smokers, or of people who simply don't care.

3. Should governments prohibit smoking in public places? That is not regulation of private sector business and the government officials are accountable to the voters, so why not?

4. Is second hand smoke harmful? I have no idea.

5. Is second hand smoke beneficial? Got me beat.

6. Are there any considerate smokers? A few.

7. Have inconsiderate smokers pissed off a lot of people over the years, particularly prior to smokers becoming a distinct minority? Take a wild guess. From my experience, most smokers couldn't care less about spewing noxious odors to people non-smokers. I know a few of us like some or all types of smoke, but most people don't.

8. Is it considerate for anyone to smoke very near a child? Based on my considerable experience, I sure don't think so.

9. Thus, we have a trichotomy of what is legal vs. what is fair game with respect to one's business vs. what is considerate.

10. Solely for those who find smoking in close proximity to others to be considerate, would you, by analogy, find it to be considerate for someone to listen to a loud boom box (think: 50 cent or the Eminem) in close proximity to you?; 12/21/08, 6:01 PM
Anonymous said...: People are just jealous and envious of we trial lawyers. And rightfully so.

We're better looking and get all the hot women.; 12/21/08, 6:06 PM
Anonymous said...: BTW, I really, really, really liked the part about getting your kid to belch.; 12/21/08, 6:23 PM
Anonymous said...: Strong feelings on both sides of the topic to be found here.I'll add my two cents worth...I smoked for 50 years and quit because of health problems and had that not been the case, I would still be smoking, I'm certain. I enjoyed smoking, knowing all the while that it was not good for me and thought to myself, many times, that I wished that I had never started.The theory here being, "you can't miss what you never had."...Knowing the dangers of tobacco that came into focus when my health deteriorated never ,however, made me a missionary to eliminate tobacco from the world, but it made it clear that there are places that smoking should be banned, namely places where the non-smoker cannot escape like the workplace and lots of others that I wont name.As much as I enjoyed the gray cloud in the old days, I cannot tolerate it now.That's not a moral statement, and I'm not preaching, it's just a fact of life that I can't breath when I'm around smoking.....The problem for me with the banning question is this:There are places that smoking can be said to have been common even when it has been banned on the job and that is bars and restaurants....I personally am not at all in favor of the government telling these types of businesses what the policy should be and I agree with comment above that the owners should set whatever policy that they want to use to foster the clientele that they prefer or already have.I suppose the problem will arise of who will pick and choose what type of business is allowed to set their own format. Common sense ought to be able to prevail, but usually this is difficult to find among dissenters who are convinced that they are as correct as the ten commandments.......I,unfortunately don't think that a fair resolution is going to be found and that there will be hard feelings for some time to come, but that the problem is going to fade away as less and less people take up smoking. "And this too, shall pass away"....A good thing no?; 12/21/08, 6:30 PM
Wabano said...: Ah! Smokers...

And smoking bans!
Smokers used to be the most
incredibly rude people in history.

Smoking was meant like the natives
did it, and in these cases,
even if you don't smoke, the smell
is very pleasurable.
But the wasp way of imposing these
thick clouds of stink
to everybody was truly unbearable.

Flying from Miami to BA in a
cockpit full of chain smokers had
my white shirt turn brownish and
stiff enough to stand by herself.

They always left their roaches in a half full cup of coffee then
tipped it over, leaving the next guy with the hideous mess...

Despite the world seemingly going
to hell in a hand basket, the
smoker's demise is a sweet
consolation.

Now, if they only would have an
open season on hippies and
commies...; 12/21/08, 6:45 PM
Anonymous said...: Smoking bans exist only because our cowardly politicians don't have the balls to deal with the issue head on. If smoking is as bad as government meddlers and other nanny-staters claim they should take steps to make tobacco illegal.
As long as tobacco is legal they should stop the wimpish whining and attempts to justify back-door rules, taxes and fees
with Gore-like psuedo science.
I am a non-smoker but don't have a problem with people who use tobacco. When it irritates me I move, leave, find a new hangout or put up with it - after all - its my choice.
Tobacco Control today, Gun Control tomorrow.

Boneshaker; 12/21/08, 8:53 PM
GrinfilledCelt said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 12/21/08, 10:33 PM
Anonymous said...: You misunderstand. Liberals don't want to make tobacco illegal, they just want to make it unprofitable. After all, liberalism is the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be making a profit. (apologies to H.L. Mencken)
GrinfilledCelt; 12/21/08, 10:35 PM
Anonymous said...: Leftists don't want anybody to have the freedom to do anything (without government permission), except have an abortion.; 12/21/08, 11:38 PM
Anonymous said...: Free to choose people.

If a business wants to attract non-smokers, they can ban it and advertize that fact.

If they want to attract smokers, they can choose to advertize that they are smoker friendly.

If they don't give a rat's arse, they can ignore the problem completely.

If someone thinks they should be able to force people to put up signs or otherwise regulate how they run their business, they need to be strung up from lamp-posts, and their families driven out of town for harboring a commie shithead.

Got an un-usual allergy? Too fucking bad. Deal with it.

Here's an idea for a compromise, David ... drop this communist bilge, and we'll try to forget you posted it.; 12/22/08, 11:55 AM

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